European Lefty
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Post by European Lefty on Apr 25, 2023 18:23:51 GMT
Now, red wall is misused as a term, and has so many wishy-washy definitions that it's rendered pointless, BUT if were to restrict to an analysis of those seats which voted Labour in 1983 and Tory in 2019, it may at least hold some interest.
I cannot any similar definition that could be applied to "blue wall" in a way that makes it at all meaningful
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Post by mattbewilson on Apr 25, 2023 18:56:06 GMT
subsamples dark and full of terrors
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iain
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Post by iain on Apr 25, 2023 19:25:19 GMT
Now, red wall is misused as a term, and has so many wishy-washy definitions that it's rendered pointless, BUT if were to restrict to an analysis of those seats which voted Labour in 1983 and Tory in 2019, it may at least hold some interest. I cannot any similar definition that could be applied to "blue wall" in a way that makes it at all meaningful If it was ‘blue wall’ Lab-Con marginals or ‘blue wall’ LD-Con marginals then fine. But a mix of the two tells us bugger all.
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Post by manchesterman on Apr 25, 2023 19:54:09 GMT
I agree the definition of blue wall is even more nebulous than red wall, however I tend to just think of the traditional Tory shires when Blue wall is mentioned (basically a line from the Wash to the Bristol Channel minus the cities and large towns therein.)
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Post by manchesterman on Apr 25, 2023 19:55:32 GMT
subsamples dark and full of terrors
Maybe they think she's doing a great job....in terms of maximising the scale of the Tory losses at the next GE, some of which will inevitably result in more Lib Dem MPs
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Post by European Lefty on Apr 25, 2023 20:16:40 GMT
I agree the definition of blue wall is even more nebulous than red wall, however I tend to just think of the traditional Tory shires when Blue wall is mentioned (basically a line from the Wash to the Bristol Channel minus the cities and large towns therein.) The traditional Tory shires of Essex or Norfolk are very, very different to the traditional Tory shires of Surrey or Wiltshire though
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Post by manchesterman on Apr 25, 2023 20:33:26 GMT
They are indeed, but as i say, it's very nebulous!
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Apr 25, 2023 21:14:42 GMT
A bunch of based Lib Dems would be hilarious. Twitter's reaction especially.
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Post by gwynthegriff on Apr 25, 2023 21:16:35 GMT
subsamples dark and full of terrors Maybe they think she's doing a great job....in terms of maximising the scale of the Tory losses at the next GE, some of which will inevitably result in more Lib Dem MPs Many years ago a pollster called at my front door and one of the questions was whether I thought a party leader was doing a good job. I expressed the view that, in my opinion, they were doing a good job (from my perspective) because they were doing a poor job (from the perspective of their party) and asked him whether I should therefore reply with good job or bad job. His view was that I should tick "good job" but I think he was wrong.
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Post by andrewp on Apr 25, 2023 22:40:27 GMT
I agree the definition of blue wall is even more nebulous than red wall, however I tend to just think of the traditional Tory shires when Blue wall is mentioned (basically a line from the Wash to the Bristol Channel minus the cities and large towns therein.) The traditional Tory shires of Essex or Norfolk are very, very different to the traditional Tory shires of Surrey or Wiltshire though Yes,if the blue wall contains Rayleigh and Wickford and Guildford, then it’s a slightly oddly constructed wall. I’m not sure the ‘red wall’ contained quite such diversity as that. But then the whole wall thing just needs obliterating.
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Post by European Lefty on Apr 26, 2023 0:08:20 GMT
The traditional Tory shires of Essex or Norfolk are very, very different to the traditional Tory shires of Surrey or Wiltshire though Yes,if the blue wall contains Rayleigh and Wickford and Guildford, then it’s a slightly oddly constructed wall. I’m not sure the ‘red wall’ contained quite such diversity as that. But then the whole wall thing just needs obliterating. Of course. As I say, I do think there is potentially a red-wall type grouping that might have value as a unit, but equally it may be as pointless as all the actual definitions that get used
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Post by timmullen1 on May 1, 2023 16:05:24 GMT
LAB: 45% (+1) CON: 28% (-1) LDM: 12% (+1) REF: 7% (+1) GRN: 4% (-1) SNP: 2% (-1)
Via @redfieldwilton, On 30 April, Changes w/ 23 April.
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Post by jamie on May 1, 2023 16:54:07 GMT
It’s happened again.
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Post by aargauer on May 1, 2023 17:10:15 GMT
Have they mixed the columns up (tory / Lib Dem wrong way around)? Seems the most logical answer. I can Just about buy Sunak doing ok with Lib dems, but not Braverman.
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Post by iang on May 1, 2023 17:23:36 GMT
Unless it's on the grounds that they approve of her as the person most likely to do the most damage
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Post by batman on May 1, 2023 18:07:23 GMT
Perhaps it's a subsample of LD voters who are particularly disliking of tofu.
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Post by mattbewilson on May 1, 2023 18:24:14 GMT
Subsamples mean shit
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Post by aargauer on May 1, 2023 18:28:38 GMT
Sure - but even so, Lib Dem's approving of Suella Braverman is decidedly odd.
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Post by No Offence Alan on May 1, 2023 18:49:03 GMT
It is obvious - The Lib Dems responding have confused Suella Braverman with Floella Benjamin.
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Post by batman on May 1, 2023 20:13:56 GMT
The last 2 polls have each shown Labour 17% ahead, suggesting that the Opinium poll, while extremely unusual in having Labour further ahead than all other current polls, is not really an outlier.
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