dundas
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Post by dundas on Aug 20, 2020 8:28:41 GMT
Yes, it's interesting that just and lawful are acknowledged as separate concepts here, a decision that could well come back to haunt the establishment should the masses decide lawful decisions are unjust and act according.
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Post by AdminSTB on Sept 8, 2020 21:51:43 GMT
I've amended the poll to account for the revised election date, and to add a few new parties onto the list of options.
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Sept 8, 2020 22:15:13 GMT
I would obviously vote for my IDU colleagues in the Nats.
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Post by independentukip on Sept 8, 2020 22:44:28 GMT
I would obviously vote for my IDU colleagues in the Nats. They support the devastation policy of the Ardern regime regarding Covid. They are thus fully complicit with it and should be opposed as should all parties which stand with that evil. |
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Sept 8, 2020 23:10:23 GMT
I would obviously vote for my IDU colleagues in the Nats. They support the devastation policy of the Ardern regime regarding Covid. They are thus fully complicit with it and should be opposed as should all parties which stand with that evil. Do any right wing parties in NZ oppose lockdown? |
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Post by timmullen1 on Sept 8, 2020 23:38:53 GMT
They support the devastation policy of the Ardern regime regarding Covid. They are thus fully complicit with it and should be opposed as should all parties which stand with that evil. Do any right wing parties in NZ oppose lockdown? Interestingly ACT, the only right-of-centre Party anywhere remotely close to joining the National in Parliament, believe Ardern was too slow to react, comparing their February lockdown to Taiwan’s January lockdown. Where they differ from the government is they would allow incoming travellers to self isolate in Airbnb’s with electronic tags rather than government run isolation centres, they would create a joint Task Force involving the private sector to coordinate supply of PPE, any future vaccine, and the reopening of the economy, rather than it being concentrated in the Health Ministry. They would introduce GPS driven track and trace, and, in terms of entry to the country treat incomers on a country-by-country basis rather than having a one-size-fits-all policy. They believe the greater use of technology can end lockdown more quickly, but they don’t oppose it in principle. The New Conservative Party: “We know that masks are not effective so why were they saying we need to stock up? The fact that thousands of people called this saying that we would be in lock down Level 2 in August when we had no cases indicates clearly that this was preempted. That is not honest and it is not transparent. The WHO website states itself that you can show a positive result from Covid-19 when you just have a common cold. Here are our Covid-19 guidelines: - If you are elderly or at-risk then isolate yourself. The entire country should not be isolated. - Get outdoors as much as you can for exercise and sunshine, this will help your mental and physical wellbeing. - Eat healthy and wholefoods and take some minerals such as Zinc and Magnesium, this will help to keep your immune system strong.” I think they’re the only Parties, other than the National, who could be classed as right-wing. |
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Sept 8, 2020 23:42:54 GMT
Do any right wing parties in NZ oppose lockdown? Interestingly ACT, the only right-of-centre Party anywhere remotely close to joining the National in Parliament, believe Ardern was too slow to react, comparing their February lockdown to Taiwan’s January lockdown. Where they differ from the government is they would allow incoming travellers to self isolate in Airbnb’s with electronic tags rather than government run isolation centres, they would create a joint Task Force involving the private sector to coordinate supply of PPE, any future vaccine, and the reopening of the economy, rather than it being concentrated in the Health Ministry. They would introduce GPS driven track and trace, and, in terms of entry to the country treat incomers on a country-by-country basis rather than having a one-size-fits-all policy. They believe the greater use of technology can end lockdown more quickly, but they don’t oppose it in principle. The New Conservative Party: “We know that masks are not effective so why were they saying we need to stock up? The fact that thousands of people called this saying that we would be in lock down Level 2 in August when we had no cases indicates clearly that this was preempted. That is not honest and it is not transparent. The WHO website states itself that you can show a positive result from Covid-19 when you just have a common cold. Here are our Covid-19 guidelines: - If you are elderly or at-risk then isolate yourself. The entire country should not be isolated. - Get outdoors as much as you can for exercise and sunshine, this will help your mental and physical wellbeing. - Eat healthy and wholefoods and take some minerals such as Zinc and Magnesium, this will help to keep your immune system strong.” I think they’re the only Parties, other than the National, who could be classed as right-wing. Vote changed to New Conservative. Good to see someone calling for personal responsibility. |
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Post by independentukip on Sept 8, 2020 23:44:15 GMT
They support the devastation policy of the Ardern regime regarding Covid. They are thus fully complicit with it and should be opposed as should all parties which stand with that evil. Do any right wing parties in NZ oppose lockdown? FYI the change in the poll was at my request though I thought it would be via a tweak rather than a renewal tbh. It is not for me to say whether a party is right wing or not and I don't regard right and left to be of any significance anymore. The only significance in my view is whether a party supports or opposes lockdowns and their associated evil. I am specifically aware of Advance New Zealand/New Zealand Public Party as opposing lockdowns which is the party the forum owner very kindly and rapidly added at my request in the poll. The Advance part is headed by a gentleman who was elected for the National Party but ceased to be with them in acrimonious circumstances. The Public Party part is headed by a very admirable and committed Maori gentleman who should rightly be the next & first Maori Prime Minister of New Zealand. The covid policy is here: www.nzpublicparty.org.nz/policy/covid-19-response-policyBits and bobs may be issues but the covid response overwhelms all of that in my view and they should be supported. |
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Sept 8, 2020 23:49:08 GMT
Do any right wing parties in NZ oppose lockdown? FYI the change in the poll was at my request though I thought it would be via a tweak rather than a renewal tbh. It is not for me to say whether a party is right wing or not and I don't regard right and left to be of any significance anymore. The only significance in my view is whether a party supports or opposes lockdowns and their associated evil. I am specifically aware of Advance New Zealand/New Zealand Public Party as opposing lockdowns which is the party the forum owner very kindly and rapidly added at my request in the poll. The Advance part is headed by a gentleman who was elected for the National Party but ceased to be with them in acrimonious circumstances. The Public Party part is headed by a very admirable and committed Maori gentleman who should rightly be the next & first Maori Prime Minister of New Zealand. The covid policy is here: www.nzpublicparty.org.nz/policy/covid-19-response-policyBits and bobs may be issues but the covid response overwhelms all of that in my view and they should be supported. Their abortion and UN sceptical positions are quite close to my own too. Interesting party.🤔 |
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Post by timmullen1 on Sept 8, 2020 23:59:05 GMT
Do any right wing parties in NZ oppose lockdown? FYI the change in the poll was at my request though I thought it would be via a tweak rather than a renewal tbh. It is not for me to say whether a party is right wing or not and I don't regard right and left to be of any significance anymore. The only significance in my view is whether a party supports or opposes lockdowns and their associated evil. I am specifically aware of Advance New Zealand/New Zealand Public Party as opposing lockdowns which is the party the forum owner very kindly and rapidly added at my request in the poll. The Advance part is headed by a gentleman who was elected for the National Party but ceased to be with them in acrimonious circumstances. The Public Party part is headed by a very admirable and committed Maori gentleman who should rightly be the next & first Maori Prime Minister of New Zealand. The covid policy is here: www.nzpublicparty.org.nz/policy/covid-19-response-policyBits and bobs may be issues but the covid response overwhelms all of that in my view and they should be supported. I didn’t see them as they don’t appear to feature in any public or private poll: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_2020_New_Zealand_general_election |
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Post by independentukip on Sept 9, 2020 0:03:55 GMT
FYI the change in the poll was at my request though I thought it would be via a tweak rather than a renewal tbh. It is not for me to say whether a party is right wing or not and I don't regard right and left to be of any significance anymore. The only significance in my view is whether a party supports or opposes lockdowns and their associated evil. I am specifically aware of Advance New Zealand/New Zealand Public Party as opposing lockdowns which is the party the forum owner very kindly and rapidly added at my request in the poll. The Advance part is headed by a gentleman who was elected for the National Party but ceased to be with them in acrimonious circumstances. The Public Party part is headed by a very admirable and committed Maori gentleman who should rightly be the next & first Maori Prime Minister of New Zealand. The covid policy is here: www.nzpublicparty.org.nz/policy/covid-19-response-policyBits and bobs may be issues but the covid response overwhelms all of that in my view and they should be supported. Their abortion and UN sceptical positions are quite close to my own too. Interesting party.🤔 Maybe small things matter and if the New Zealand press see Advance NZ having strong support here that might be helpful for them there. Any rate it can't do any harm. |
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Post by timmullen1 on Sept 9, 2020 0:06:21 GMT
Their abortion and UN sceptical positions are quite close to my own too. Interesting party.🤔 Maybe small things matter and if the New Zealand press see Advance NZ having strong support here that might be helpful for them there. Any rate it can't do any harm. Oh yeah, I’m sure the New Zealand political press corps are avid readers of this forum. 🙄 |
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Post by AdminSTB on Sept 9, 2020 11:50:26 GMT
FYI the change in the poll was at my request though I thought it would be via a tweak rather than a renewal tbh. When I went to amend the poll I couldn't find any option to simply edit it (beyond locking/unlocking), thus forcing me to outright remove & replace it. |
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Post by 🏴☠️ Neath West 🏴☠️ on Sept 9, 2020 13:29:55 GMT
newzealand.isidewith.com/ gives me: ACT 85% National Party 76% New Conservative Party 76% New Zealand First 66% The Opportunities Party 66% Labour Party 44% Green Party 33% As I don't see the point in voting for third/minor parties, I've gone for the National Party in the poll.
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Post by timmullen1 on Sept 9, 2020 14:17:34 GMT
newzealand.isidewith.com/ gives me: ACT 85% National Party 76% New Conservative Party 76% New Zealand First 66% The Opportunities Party 66% Labour Party 44% Green Party 33% As I don't see the point in voting for third/minor parties, I've gone for the National Party in the poll. You would probably be better advised going with ACT to get them above 5% and more than just their current one seat in Parliament particularly as they’re probably the only potential coalition partner for the National. |
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Post by mboy on Sept 9, 2020 14:38:18 GMT
I ticked Labour in the poll here, but then did the test and got this:
89% The Opportunities Party
86% Green Party
83% Labour Party
72% ACT
61% National Party
56% New Zealand First
31% New Conservative Party
I've never even heard of "The Opportunities Party", which the test describes as "Environmentalism • Pacifism • Left Wing • Progressive • Tender • Collectivism • Globalization • Globalism". This sounds a bit like the Green Lib Dems, so maybe it makes sense, lol...
Edit: I switched my vote to them, as they actually do look quite good.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2020 15:19:27 GMT
newzealand.isidewith.com/ gives me: ACT 85% National Party 76% New Conservative Party 76% New Zealand First 66% The Opportunities Party 66% Labour Party 44% Green Party 33% As I don't see the point in voting for third/minor parties, I've gone for the National Party in the poll. Some of those questions seem very US-specific but I got: Green 93% Labour 92% TOP 89% NZF 70% Nat 70% ACT 60% N Con 21% However the individual breakdowns show that I'm about as far away from National, NZF and ACT as you can get and some of the issues it says I agree with them on in the overview, it says I disagree with them on in the breakdown. So Christ knows what happened there |
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Post by carlton43 on Sept 9, 2020 15:23:00 GMT
Taken the Quiz which was very easy on every question for me.
Results:
Green 07%
Lab 26%
Opportunities 31%
NZ First 72%
NAT Party 76%
ACT 76%
New CONs 95%
So I have altered my vote from ACT to New Cons. The match is so complete it would be foolish to do otherwise.
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Post by middyman on Sept 9, 2020 15:36:19 GMT
Top two:
New Conservatives 89%
ACT 84%
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Post by ibfc on Sept 9, 2020 16:30:08 GMT
Green: 4%
Labour: 22%
The Opportunities Party:25%
National:76%
NZ First:82%
ACT:85%
New Conservative Party:93%
Accidentally voted for legalise cannabis and finding it difficult to change my vote.
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