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Post by Pete Whitehead on Feb 28, 2020 17:54:34 GMT
Certainly it is a very safe Labour ward and holding it in itself is not particularly impressive. Also we noted the other week how well ex-MPs often do in local by-elections in their former constituencies and yet even with that advantage (if it was one in this case) there was a very substantial swing to the Conservatives
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Post by andrewp on Feb 28, 2020 18:32:51 GMT
Certainly it is a very safe Labour ward and holding it in itself is not particularly impressive. Also we noted the other week how well ex-MPs often do in local by-elections in their former constituencies and yet even with that advantage (if it was one in this case) there was a very substantial swing to the Conservatives Laura Smith’s result doesn’t appear to be nearly as impressive as Ruth George’s was. |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Feb 28, 2020 18:35:42 GMT
Certainly it is a very safe Labour ward and holding it in itself is not particularly impressive. Also we noted the other week how well ex-MPs often do in local by-elections in their former constituencies and yet even with that advantage (if it was one in this case) there was a very substantial swing to the Conservatives I think Smith's performance was poor by that metric. I know she is somewhat controversial among local Labour members. |
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Post by Sibboleth on Feb 28, 2020 19:13:43 GMT
It would have pretty weird for Labour not to have won Crewe South. Have you been? It's extremely deprived. Not identical boundaries of course, but they did lose it (well 2/3 and to the LibDems) in 2008. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Feb 28, 2020 19:18:22 GMT
Certainly it is a very safe Labour ward and holding it in itself is not particularly impressive. Also we noted the other week how well ex-MPs often do in local by-elections in their former constituencies and yet even with that advantage (if it was one in this case) there was a very substantial swing to the Conservatives I think Smith's performance was poor by that metric. I know she is somewhat controversial among local Labour members. Do tell... Because of the carpet bagging? |
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Post by Sibboleth on Feb 28, 2020 19:23:20 GMT
I think Smith's performance was poor by that metric. I know she is somewhat controversial among local Labour members. Do tell... Because of the carpet bagging? IIRC she had only been a Party Member for about five seconds before she was selected. |
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Post by neilm on Feb 28, 2020 19:41:26 GMT
It really is quite incredible that an independent has won this. Clayton & Openshaw are so obviously Manc Labour territory. Dobson really has carried off something impressive. It goes to show how useless and badly-executed Tory efforts in Brooklands down the years have been. I think Brooklands is well beyond the Tory reach now. They'd be better off going for Deansgate on a five year plan. |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Feb 28, 2020 20:59:14 GMT
I think Smith's performance was poor by that metric. I know she is somewhat controversial among local Labour members. Do tell... Because of the carpet bagging? I'm not party to their infighting these days but her position on the EU didn't exactly endear her to a significant part of the membership. And her personality is I suspect less than endearing to many. |
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Post by ideal4radio on Feb 28, 2020 21:46:11 GMT
Reports suggest that Labour may just have edged it in Clayton/Openshaw on the day (which may explain why they were confident of winning) but lost it on postal votes. That almost certainly cost them several seats in the GE as well, and with postal votes becoming more prominent its something where the party needs to up its game. Trust me, in certain parts of the Country, your Labour Colleagues are very much " on their game " when it comes to garnering postal votes !  |
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Post by carlton43 on Feb 29, 2020 9:42:06 GMT
Well, I don't think I'd go quite that far. Try googling streetview for Danebank Avenue (and the thoroughfares which branch from it) or Manor Way. Happy to accept there's deprivation in some of the social housing areas (I've leafleted Claughton Avenue) and that the terraced areas aren't what they were when I was growing up in the ward. (The previous incarnation of Crewe South - albeit with different boundaries was Lib Dem 2004-5 and 2008-2011) It is one of the most deprived parts of Cheshire East, though. I know you know the area better, but those two main Crewe wards are very sad places. The first time I went was for the football, and I was surprised by the state of the houses down Gresty Road. When I was working in Nantwich, I sometimes stayed over at the Crewe Arms and went for a wander once - I thought there were areas of Crewe that seemed more deprived than in Wythenshawe, for example. 'Deprived' of what exactly? And by whom have they been 'Deprived'? |
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Post by The Bishop on Feb 29, 2020 10:50:47 GMT
Certainly it is a very safe Labour ward and holding it in itself is not particularly impressive. Also we noted the other week how well ex-MPs often do in local by-elections in their former constituencies and yet even with that advantage (if it was one in this case) there was a very substantial swing to the Conservatives It was a rather more modest swing compared to 2015 and 2011, which illustrates how terrible the Tory results were in this council (even with the national picture) last year. Laura Smith has always come across as a somewhat "Marmite-ish" figure, so that she got a less impressive result than Ruth George does not surprise  |
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Post by tonygreaves on Feb 29, 2020 17:43:49 GMT
I love it when Mancunians roll their ‘r’s. Mancs don't, really. For that you need to go up to Bolton and east Lancashire. Preston most of all Mostly the cotton spinning towns as were Bolton/Bury/Rochdale and over the moors to the weaving towns of Blackburn and Accrington. Not so much in Preston area (think Tim Farron if you may) - partly in Burnley which is on the boundary with areas to the east (Nelson and Colne) where it's not at all. The Colne accent is more like Aire Valley Yorkshire. |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Feb 29, 2020 18:18:46 GMT
Mancs don't, really. For that you need to go up to Bolton and east Lancashire. Preston most of all Mostly the cotton spinning towns as were Bolton/Bury/Rochdale and over the moors to the weaving towns of Blackburn and Accrington. Not so much in Preston area (think Tim Farron if you may) - partly in Burnley which is on the boundary with areas to the east (Nelson and Colne) where it's not at all. The Colne accent is more like Aire Valley Yorkshire. I'm always astonished just how localised accents can be in that area. Wigan and Warrington are ten minutes apart by train. Linguistically they're like different nations ! |
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Post by owainsutton on Feb 29, 2020 18:27:39 GMT
Mostly the cotton spinning towns as were Bolton/Bury/Rochdale and over the moors to the weaving towns of Blackburn and Accrington. Not so much in Preston area (think Tim Farron if you may) - partly in Burnley which is on the boundary with areas to the east (Nelson and Colne) where it's not at all. The Colne accent is more like Aire Valley Yorkshire. I'm always astonished just how localised accents can be in that area. Wigan and Warrington are ten minutes apart by train. Linguistically they're like different nations ! Oral history archives are an absolute revelation about this, and that's even after so much impact from migration due to the industrial revolution, railways, radio, and the rest. Literally village-to-village differences, in some cases. |
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Post by ideal4radio on Feb 29, 2020 22:58:10 GMT
Mostly the cotton spinning towns as were Bolton/Bury/Rochdale and over the moors to the weaving towns of Blackburn and Accrington. Not so much in Preston area (think Tim Farron if you may) - partly in Burnley which is on the boundary with areas to the east (Nelson and Colne) where it's not at all. The Colne accent is more like Aire Valley Yorkshire. I'm always astonished just how localised accents can be in that area. Wigan and Warrington are ten minutes apart by train. Linguistically they're like different nations ! The difference between accents in Blackburn and Burnley is quite marked ... The previous post relating to " oral histories " is interesting, people who've studied such matters reckon that a native of Northumberland and a native of Cornwall would have had great difficulty understanding each other 150 years ago, it was the advent of radio that standardized English, with it's use of " Received Pronunciation " which was copied by aspiring folk in their efforts to get on in life ........ Think Roy Jenkins and Dennis Healey, ( brought up in Pontypool and Keighley ), as examples ! |
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Post by bigfatron on Mar 1, 2020 9:28:19 GMT
A minor point, but surely that Cambridgeshire CC result is Duxford, not Doxford?
Doxford is a suburb of Sunderland IIRC, whereas Duxford is the aerodrome and village next door to Whittlesford, which was the District Council seat forming part of the aforementioned Duxford CC seat.
Apologies if this has been mentioned before and I have missed it, or if there actually is a Doxford seat that I've never heard of!
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Post by middleenglander on Mar 1, 2020 10:18:13 GMT
A minor point, but surely that Cambridgeshire CC result is Duxford, not Doxford? Doxford is a suburb of Sunderland IIRC, whereas Duxford is the aerodrome and village next door to Whittlesford, which was the District Council seat forming part of the aforementioned Duxford CC seat. Apologies if this has been mentioned before and I have missed it, or if there actually is a Doxford seat that I've never heard of! Thanks, corrected. |
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Post by The Bishop on Mar 1, 2020 10:23:35 GMT
Reports suggest that Labour may just have edged it in Clayton/Openshaw on the day (which may explain why they were confident of winning) but lost it on postal votes. That almost certainly cost them several seats in the GE as well, and with postal votes becoming more prominent its something where the party needs to up its game. Trust me, in certain parts of the Country, your Labour Colleagues are very much " on their game " when it comes to garnering postal votes ! Well judging by the GE result in your seat amongst others, maybe we aren't as good at it as widely presumed? |
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Post by tonygreaves on Mar 2, 2020 19:54:54 GMT
The elections where it really shows up are with the much smaller electorates in local elections. But it's not always confined to one party.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on May 22, 2020 23:20:06 GMT
I regret to inform you that the winner of the Clayton and Openshaw byelection is round the twist:  |
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