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Post by timmullen1 on Mar 15, 2020 20:55:28 GMT
I'm not sure there is anything of importance that the Lords would block anyway. The Government's Constitutional Reform program was what I was thinking of. There was talk of a Lords rebellion on the plans to reform and limit judicial review I’m guessing there would have to be an agreement not to introduce legislation on anything greatly significant as it would be constitutionally and legally dubious if it didn’t receive scrutiny in both Houses. They can maybe extend the Finance Bill debate by a couple of sessions as that’s Commons only, and the rest of the time will likely be similar to last year, a lot of topical debates, Statements/Urgent Questions and Petitions Committee days. |
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Post by tonygreaves on Mar 15, 2020 21:33:09 GMT
I'm not sure there is anything of importance that the Lords would block anyway. The Government's Constitutional Reform program was what I was thinking of. There was talk of a Lords rebellion on the plans to reform and limit judicial review I think any legislation is a long way off. They are setting up a constitutional commission first. |
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Post by tonygreaves on Mar 15, 2020 21:36:01 GMT
The Government's Constitutional Reform program was what I was thinking of. There was talk of a Lords rebellion on the plans to reform and limit judicial review I’m guessing there would have to be an agreement not to introduce legislation on anything greatly significant as it would be constitutionally and legally dubious if it didn’t receive scrutiny in both Houses. They can maybe extend the Finance Bill debate by a couple of sessions as that’s Commons only, and the rest of the time will likely be similar to last year, a lot of topical debates, Statements/Urgent Questions and Petitions Committee days. There is increasing pressure for the Lords business to be cut back to the essentials - legislation, questions, topical statements (eg coronavirus! and Brexit), etc. And to dispense with all the general debates and many of the Lords select committees. |
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Post by timmullen1 on Mar 15, 2020 22:57:31 GMT
I’m guessing there would have to be an agreement not to introduce legislation on anything greatly significant as it would be constitutionally and legally dubious if it didn’t receive scrutiny in both Houses. They can maybe extend the Finance Bill debate by a couple of sessions as that’s Commons only, and the rest of the time will likely be similar to last year, a lot of topical debates, Statements/Urgent Questions and Petitions Committee days. Presumably the Bills would receive full scrutiny in both houses. It's just that since most working Labour Peers were appointed pre-2010 they're likely to be older on average than Tory peers and hence more likely to be sitting at home during the peak WuFlu period I’m guessing there would have to be an agreement not to introduce legislation on anything greatly significant as it would be constitutionally and legally dubious if it didn’t receive scrutiny in both Houses. They can maybe extend the Finance Bill debate by a couple of sessions as that’s Commons only, and the rest of the time will likely be similar to last year, a lot of topical debates, Statements/Urgent Questions and Petitions Committee days. Presumably the Bills would receive full scrutiny in both houses. It's just that since most working Labour Peers were appointed pre-2010 they're likely to be older on average than Tory peers and hence more likely to be sitting at home during the peak WuFlu period Nice try except you obviously weren’t able to understand tonygreaves earlier post in which he said there wasn’t much difference in ages across the House. Equally it’s not full scrutiny if, assuming there was any credibility to your claim about Labour Peers, one side of the House is unable to provide that scrutiny. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Mar 15, 2020 23:37:47 GMT
Well Italy and Spain have already introduced the policy of locking up everyone in the country! Let's see how that goes for them. I predict civil unrest, economic ruin, and a second resurgence of the virus. There's a reason house arrest is used as a punishment! Meanwhile, in France, the gilets jaunes are refusing to comply. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2020 10:05:04 GMT
The mean age of members of the Lords is 69/70 and has been for as long as I have been there. There are a small number of quite young Lords so the median is probably a bit higher. So a few more than half the House will be over 70. But do not think that the policy of locking up all the over 70s in the country for four months will ever come about! It is not only arbitrary, discriminatory and wrong - in practical terms it is quite stupid. As was demonstrated by Marr's interview with the hapless Hancock this morning. Yes, I don’t think you should follow the advice Lord Greaves. |
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Post by tonygreaves on Mar 16, 2020 12:48:37 GMT
Locking up everyone over 70 would possibly result in more of them dying than if they just keep to a sensible lifestyle. (I am not however suggesting that Peer's lifestyle is particularly sensible though it does seem to be good at keeping them alive and active longer on average!)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2020 13:23:49 GMT
Locking up everyone over 70 would possibly result in more of them dying than if they just keep to a sensible lifestyle. (I am not however suggesting that Peer's lifestyle is particularly sensible though it does seem to be good at keeping them alive and active longer on average!) Yes, undeserved privileged tends to give people a higher than average life expectancy. |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Mar 16, 2020 14:00:57 GMT
Locking up everyone over 70 would possibly result in more of them dying than if they just keep to a sensible lifestyle. (I am not however suggesting that Peer's lifestyle is particularly sensible though it does seem to be good at keeping them alive and active longer on average!) Yes, undeserved privileged tends to give people a higher than average life expectancy. Not sure how great a "privilege" working membership of the Lords represents. For one Peer I know it means commuting weekly from Llandudno. In his eighties. Don't know why he does it. Oh yes, I do. Because it's his opportunity to raise issues of importance on refugees, human rights etc etc I couldn't, and wouldn't, do it. |
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Post by tonygreaves on Mar 17, 2020 21:19:38 GMT
Yes, Roger is a hero. (I declare an interest - he is one of three of use crammed into a pokey office in the Palace.) He's a natural campaigner and he can't give up.
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Post by tonyhill on Mar 18, 2020 6:32:26 GMT
I asked Roger once why he was standing for election to the European Parliament: "To fight fascism!"
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Post by tonygreaves on Mar 18, 2020 15:58:34 GMT
Yes he asked me to be his agent. I told him I hadn't got time to learn Welsh...
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Mar 18, 2020 16:26:13 GMT
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Post by tonygreaves on Mar 25, 2020 20:49:43 GMT
Slightly odd proposed positions unless they are each going to be given a specific task to do. What it might be is not clear. (Or at least I do not know!) We are still waiting for the big influx of new Tory peers (and some Labour) but perhaps this is being deferred for the moment. I guess the present situation will result in quite a lot of resignations of older peers who are being arm-twisted not to turn up at present (and who anyway may not be happy with the current stripped down sitting arrangements). Half the House is over 70.
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Post by Richard Allen on Mar 25, 2020 21:50:01 GMT
Slightly odd proposed positions unless they are each going to be given a specific task to do. It hardly seems odd that a Conservative government might think that Greenhalgh might have something to offer with regards to Local Government or that Grimstone might know a thing or two about business. |
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Post by tonygreaves on Mar 28, 2020 19:16:52 GMT
Just that the joint positions seem a bit odd.
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Post by curiousliberal on Mar 28, 2020 19:59:47 GMT
David Steel has formally retired from the Lords. John Palmer, the Earl of Selbourne and a hereditary peer, has also retired. Though he is non-affiliated, he was selected to remain in the House by the Conservatives in 1999, so they will have an internal by-election to pick their next hereditary peer.
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Post by tonygreaves on Mar 31, 2020 16:40:14 GMT
Lord (Matthew) Oakeshott of Seagrove Bay has been granted Leave of Absence. Since he defected from the LDs to the X-benches his presence has not been noticed much though he did turn up for the Brexit votes.
Not exactly defections but the following members have died: Lord Graham of Edmonton (former Labour Chief Whip), Lord Garel-Davies (X-bencher).
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Post by tonygreaves on Apr 3, 2020 16:31:38 GMT
Labour Peer Lord Gordon of Strathblane (83) has sadly died after contracting Covid-19. I think he was in the Lords three weeks ago.
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Post by curiousliberal on Apr 4, 2020 0:13:08 GMT
Labour life peer and trade unionist Lord Brookman has resigned from the HoL, having been a member since 1998.
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