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Post by LDCaerdydd on Feb 8, 2020 13:09:56 GMT
You are forgetting Lembit Opik losing his seat in 2010. Scarily, that's only a few months from being more than 10 years ago. How did that happen? This has been discussed before, but in short a ‘perfect storm’ of factors: - Lembit being seen to be a Pratt - A lethargic local LD Party who’ve never really adapted to modern campaigning. - The Conservatives standing a good, well known and experienced candidate for the first time in years - The Conservatives sensing blood and fighting to win for the first time in years. - Plus a significant pro-Conservative swing across Wales and the UK |
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Post by Tony Otim on Feb 8, 2020 13:11:21 GMT
Scarily, that's only a few months from being more than 10 years ago. How did that happen? This has been discussed before, but in short a ‘perfect storm’ of factors: - Lembit being seen to be a Pratt - A lethargic local LD Party who’ve never really adapted to modern campaigning. - The Conservatives standing a good, well known and experienced candidate for the first time in years - The Conservatives sensing blood and fighting to win for the first time in years. - Plus a significant pro-Conservative swing across Wales and the UK Not the question I was asking 😉 it was a comment about the passage of time. |
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Post by neilm on Feb 8, 2020 15:28:10 GMT
You are forgetting Lembit Opik losing his seat in 2010. Scarily, that's only a few months from being more than 10 years ago. How did that happen? Seems like only yesterday, doesn't it. |
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Post by yellowperil on Feb 8, 2020 15:37:40 GMT
Scarily, that's only a few months from being more than 10 years ago. How did that happen? Seems like only yesterday, doesn't it. I go back so much further than that with Lembit. I got quite a lot of my training in political activism from him, many many years before the Montgomery debacle. I have to say as a trainer he was remarkably good at his job. Trouble was he seemed to forget all he had taught us when pursuing his own political career. |
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Post by 🏴☠️ Neath West 🏴☠️ on Feb 8, 2020 18:45:25 GMT
Well, rumours are 20ish Tories and 8ish Labour. So much for reducing the size of the Lords, and areal kick in the teeth for the people in the Lords who have been working hard to achieve a reduction in size. What's really needed is an amendment to the Life Peerages Act, 1958, to allow for progressive decrease in numbers of representative life peers elected by those created after each past General Election, so that the post-1997 intakes can be reduced to size: 2019 - all (currently 3) 2017 - at most 100 - in practice all (currently 45) 2015 - at most 90 - in practice all (currently 71) 2010 - at most 81 - from 181 [party caps of 29 Conservative, 23 Labour, 18 Lib Dems, 1 of any other party, in line with the popular vote at the 2010 general election]2005 - at most 72 - from 103 [party caps of 25 Labour, 23 Conservative, 16 Lib Dems, 1 of any other party, in line with the popular vote at the 2005 general election]2001 - at most 65 - from 75 [party caps of 26 Labour, 20 Conservative, 12 Lib Dems, 1 of any other party, in line with the popular vote at the 2001 general election]1997 - at most 59 - from 160 [party caps of 25 Labour, 18 Conservative, 9 Lib Dems, 1 of any other party, in line with the popular vote at the 1997 general election]1992 - at most 53 - in practice all (currently 53) 1987 - at most 47 - in practice all (currently 32) 1983 - at most 43 - in practice all (currently 13) 1979 - at most 38 - in practice all (currently 4) 1974.2 - at most 34 - in practice all (currently 2) 1974.1 - at most 31 - in practice nobody 1970 - at most 28 - in practice all (currently 2) 1966 - at most 25 - in practice all (currently 1) |
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Post by tonygreaves on Feb 8, 2020 22:06:52 GMT
The Speaker sponsored a representative committee of the House which reported in 2017 chaired by Lord Burns. www.parliament.uk/documents/lords-committees/size-of-house/size-of-house-report.pdfThe proposals were based on voluntary changes which would get the size down to 600. They we agreed by all the parties and by the House itself, and quite strenuous efforts have been made to persuade people to retire (something that had become possible following the passing of the Private Member's Bill which David Steel had been promoting for some years). The House was ahead of he proposed schedule. Unfortunately the Governments of the day and notably the M never signed up to it. To be fair, Mrs May exercised much more restraint while she was PM. It now seems that Johnson is ignoring the Burns proposals completely and they are now dead. The Speaker (Norman Fowler) is said to be seething about it all. |
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Post by dundas on Feb 10, 2020 22:24:51 GMT
By what power is he doing so? Nick Clegg's idea to reduce to 600 was great. Jezza must hold him to a count on this.
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Post by timmullen1 on Feb 11, 2020 0:23:15 GMT
By what power is he doing so? Nick Clegg's idea to reduce to 600 was great. Jezza must hold him to a count on this. The reduction to 600 was for the Commons not the Lords. As for the Burns proposals, as tonygreaves said they were a voluntary agreement and not incorporated into legislation, therefore the power to appoint Peers remains in the gift of the Prime Minister, checked only by the Lords Appointments Commission which can, under certain clearly defined criteria, reject a nomination (likely see Bercow, John). |
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Post by tonygreaves on Feb 13, 2020 17:48:45 GMT
Lord Elystan-Morgan has retired. XB, former Labour MP etc, invariably voted with Labour.
Lord Brookman (Labour) has given notice of retirement on 2nd April.
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Post by 🏴☠️ Neath West 🏴☠️ on Feb 17, 2020 21:05:59 GMT
The Speaker sponsored a representative committee of the House which reported in 2017 chaired by Lord Burns. www.parliament.uk/documents/lords-committees/size-of-house/size-of-house-report.pdfThe proposals were based on voluntary changes which would get the size down to 600. They we agreed by all the parties and by the House itself, and quite strenuous efforts have been made to persuade people to retire (something that had become possible following the passing of the Private Member's Bill which David Steel had been promoting for some years). The House was ahead of he proposed schedule. Unfortunately the Governments of the day and notably the M never signed up to it. To be fair, Mrs May exercised much more restraint while she was PM. It now seems that Johnson is ignoring the Burns proposals completely and they are now dead. The Speaker (Norman Fowler) is said to be seething about it all. The problem is not those who wish to retire, but rather the vast number of unworthies who were ennobled between 1997 and 2015, who do not wish to retire, but who need to be dismissed. |
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Post by timmullen1 on Feb 25, 2020 16:38:28 GMT
David Steel to retire from the HoL (and resign from the Liberal Democrats) following the publication of the IICSA report.
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Post by tonygreaves on Feb 25, 2020 21:29:32 GMT
The Speaker sponsored a representative committee of the House which reported in 2017 chaired by Lord Burns. www.parliament.uk/documents/lords-committees/size-of-house/size-of-house-report.pdfThe proposals were based on voluntary changes which would get the size down to 600. They we agreed by all the parties and by the House itself, and quite strenuous efforts have been made to persuade people to retire (something that had become possible following the passing of the Private Member's Bill which David Steel had been promoting for some years). The House was ahead of he proposed schedule. Unfortunately the Governments of the day and notably the M never signed up to it. To be fair, Mrs May exercised much more restraint while she was PM. It now seems that Johnson is ignoring the Burns proposals completely and they are now dead. The Speaker (Norman Fowler) is said to be seething about it all. The problem is not those who wish to retire, but rather the vast number of unworthies who were ennobled between 1997 and 2015, who do not wish to retire, but who need to be dismissed. Do you mean they were not Conservatives? |
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Post by tonygreaves on Mar 12, 2020 19:26:05 GMT
The following members of the House have given notice of their intention to retire.
The Earl of Selborne (Non-Affiliated) 26th March
Lord Steel of Aikwood (ex-LD) 27th March
Lord Brookman (Lab) 2nd June
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Post by timmullen1 on Mar 12, 2020 19:46:54 GMT
The following members of the House have given notice of their intention to retire. The Earl of Selborne (Non-Affiliated) 26th March Lord Steel of Aikwood (ex-LD) 27th March Lord Brookman (Lab) 2nd June Does that mean there’s a Hereditary by-election for the Earl of Selborne’s place? |
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Mar 12, 2020 21:55:20 GMT
The following members of the House have given notice of their intention to retire. The Earl of Selborne (Non-Affiliated) 26th March Lord Steel of Aikwood (ex-LD) 27th March Lord Brookman (Lab) 2nd June Does that mean there’s a Hereditary by-election for the Earl of Selborne’s place? Yup. Such is the ridiculous system we have. Lord Steel of Aikwood (ex-LD) 27th March Won a by-election held on 24/3/65 result announced on 25/3/65. Leaves Parliament 55 years and 2 days later. |
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Post by cibwr on Mar 15, 2020 10:22:51 GMT
Lord Elystan-Morgan has retired. XB, former Labour MP etc, invariably voted with Labour. Former Plaid Cymru member and a supporter of Devo Max, or even independence |
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Post by finsobruce on Mar 15, 2020 10:38:15 GMT
Lord Elystan-Morgan has retired. XB, former Labour MP etc, invariably voted with Labour. Former Plaid Cymru member and a supporter of Devo Max, or even independence Contested Wrexham for Plaid in 1955 (by election) 1955 and 1959, and Merioneth (1964).
Labour MP for Cardiganshire (1966- Feb 74), Labour candidate in Anglesey/Ynys Mon (1979). |
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Post by greatkingrat on Mar 15, 2020 15:35:32 GMT
I'm not sure there is anything of importance that the Lords would block anyway.
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Post by tonygreaves on Mar 15, 2020 16:03:29 GMT
The mean age of members of the Lords is 69/70 and has been for as long as I have been there. There are a small number of quite young Lords so the median is probably a bit higher. So a few more than half the House will be over 70.
But do not think that the policy of locking up all the over 70s in the country for four months will ever come about! It is not only arbitrary, discriminatory and wrong - in practical terms it is quite stupid.
As was demonstrated by Marr's interview with the hapless Hancock this morning.
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Post by bjornhattan on Mar 15, 2020 16:37:48 GMT
But do not think that the policy of locking up all the over 70s in the country for four months will ever come about! Well Italy and Spain have already introduced the policy of locking up everyone in the country! Let's see how that goes for them. I predict civil unrest, economic ruin, and a second resurgence of the virus. There's a reason house arrest is used as a punishment! |
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