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Post by finsobruce on Sept 12, 2020 17:42:51 GMT
The six all have labels chosen by themselves unlike the other "political" peers who are members of a party group (or in the case of Daffydd Wigley his party's only rep). Apart from David Owen who is - well, David Owen - they tend to be people who have parted company with their party either due to a policy disagreement or due to some misdemeanour. There were some more who have now slipped into the Non-affiliated category eg former Conservative Lord Inglewood who fell out with the Government over Brexit. There were a couple of Independent LDs who have gone non-Aff. Stevens was one of the Tories who was kicked out in 2004 for supporting UKIP in the Euro election. He was a UKIP peer for a while. Truscott and Stoddart left Labour due to misdemeanours (of different kinds) and do NOT form a group of two! Maginnis left UUP due to a misdemeanour. I don't know about Tessa Blackstone. In practice most of the Non-Affiliated peers are politicians with clear views and affiliations who do not wish to take a whip (officially anyway) sometimes due to jobs that they have outside the House. Truscott being in the very small sub set of former Labour representatives who are married to the daughter of a colonel in the Red Army.
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Post by maxque on Sept 12, 2020 22:11:21 GMT
The six all have labels chosen by themselves unlike the other "political" peers who are members of a party group (or in the case of Daffydd Wigley his party's only rep). Apart from David Owen who is - well, David Owen - they tend to be people who have parted company with their party either due to a policy disagreement or due to some misdemeanour. There were some more who have now slipped into the Non-affiliated category eg former Conservative Lord Inglewood who fell out with the Government over Brexit. There were a couple of Independent LDs who have gone non-Aff. Stevens was one of the Tories who was kicked out in 2004 for supporting UKIP in the Euro election. He was a UKIP peer for a while. Truscott and Stoddart left Labour due to misdemeanours (of different kinds) and do NOT form a group of two! Maginnis left UUP due to a misdemeanour. I don't know about Tessa Blackstone. In practice most of the Non-Affiliated peers are politicians with clear views and affiliations who do not wish to take a whip (officially anyway) sometimes due to jobs that they have outside the House. Blackstone became the chair of the Bar Standards Council in 2018, might that be the reason?
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Post by tonygreaves on Sept 15, 2020 18:33:03 GMT
Lord Austin of Dudley (Non-Aff) and Baroness Morrissey (Con) were introduced yesterday. Baroness Clark of Kilwinning (Lab) and Lord Walney (Non-Aff) came in today. Lord Walney may be better known as John Zak Woodcock, in part at least. He promises to be "a lifelong champion for our incredible area". If that's the kind of thing he wants to do in the Lords he'll be one of very few English members.
The HoL website says the current composition of "current, eligible members" today is:
Con 252, Lab 176, LD 88, DUP 4, Green 2, UUP 2, PC 1, Others with political labels 6. Cross-bench 179, Non-affiliated 51, Bishops 26. Speaker 1.
At some recent time Baroness Falkner of Margravine moved from Non-Aff to Crossbench. I don't think it hit any headlines.
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Post by tonygreaves on Sept 15, 2020 18:39:03 GMT
No-one coming in tomorrow but on Thursday it's Lord Clarke of Nottingham, and Baroness Stuart of Edgbaston.
Ken will be fun. Gisela perhaps less so. But we will see.
As yet, nobody lined up for next week, perhaps Garter is on holiday.
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Post by Chris from Brum on Sept 15, 2020 18:55:33 GMT
No-one coming in tomorrow but on Thursday it's Lord Clarke of Nottingham, and Baroness Stuart of Edgbaston. Ken will be fun. Gisela perhaps less so. But we will see. As yet, nobody lined up for next week, perhaps Garter is on holiday. A Tory Europhile and a Labour Europhobe. Interesting juxtaposition.
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Post by tonygreaves on Sept 17, 2020 12:10:36 GMT
Still none next week. Garter on furlough!
So the numbers for a few days will be
Con 253, Lab 176, LD 88, DUP 4, Green 2, UUP 2, PC 1, Others with political labels 6. Cross-bench 179, Non-affiliated 52, Bishops 26. Speaker 1.
Compare with the votes on the Agriculture Bill on Tuesday.
First vote: Contents (for the amendment) 130. Not contents (against the amendment) 225. This was a rebel Con amendment from Lord Northbrook about producing food for the purposes of a sufficient level of food security. There were seven Con rebels and most of the Content vote were 75 Liberal Democrats and 34 X-bench. 194 Con voted with the Government. Labour officially abstained (a handful on each side) (and so did I!)
Second vote: Contents (for the amendment) 258, Not contents (Government) 208.
This was an official Labour amendment to insert to a section on giving financial assistance to farmers and land managers: “( ) The Secretary of State must have regard to the current environmental improvement plan when setting out strategic priorities for giving financial assistance during the plan period.”
Voting: Bishops 2 C. Conservative 3 C (ie rebels), 182 Not C (ie Government). X-bench 49 C, 21 Not C. Lab 115 C., 1 Not C.(rebel). LD 74 C. Green 2 C. Others 13 C, 4 Not C.
I've put these on because they show how even all the new Con peers will not make all that much difference to many divisions. The turnout in this division was depressed a bit by being after 9pm. A more typical Con turnout at present would be between 200 and 210.
The opposition turnouts were not untypical - Labour get 65% of their members out for their own amendment. The Liberals get 85% out (including me!) It's not too hard when people can vote from their computers or mobile devices wherever they are.
I guess that all the main parties had 2-line whips on for this vote.
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Post by tonygreaves on Sept 17, 2020 12:46:04 GMT
Still none next week. Garter on furlough! So the numbers for a few days will be Con 253, Lab 176, LD 88, DUP 4, Green 2, UUP 2, PC 1, Others with political labels 6. Cross-bench 179, Non-affiliated 52, Bishops 26. Speaker 1. Compare with the votes on the Agriculture Bill on Tuesday. First vote: Contents (for the amendment) 130. Not contents (against the amendment) 225. This was a rebel Con amendment from Lord Northbrook about producing food for the purposes of a sufficient level of food security. There were seven Con rebels and most of the Content vote were 75 Liberal Democrats and 34 X-bench. 194 Con voted with the Government. Labour officially abstained (a handful on each side) (and so did I!) Second vote: Contents (for the amendment) 258, Not contents (Government) 208. This was an official Labour amendment to insert to a section on giving financial assistance to farmers and land managers: “( ) The Secretary of State must have regard to the current environmental improvement plan when setting out strategic priorities for giving financial assistance during the plan period.” Voting: Bishops 2 C. Conservative 3 C (ie rebels), 182 Not C (ie Government). X-bench 49 C, 21 Not C. Lab 115 C., 1 Not C.(rebel). LD 74 C. Green 2 C. Others 13 C, 4 Not C. I've put these on because they show how even all the new Con peers will not make all that much difference to many divisions. The turnout in this division was depressed a bit by being after 9pm. A more typical Con turnout at present would be between 200 and 210. The opposition turnouts were not untypical - Labour get 65% of their members out for their own amendment. The Liberals get 85% out (including me!) It's not too hard when people can vote from their computers or mobile devices wherever they are. I guess that all the main parties had 2-line whips on for this vote. Some comments rather than facts. Labour have problems getting their vote out which they need to work on (to be fair they have a lot of older peers in the group). Labour seem not to vote for any amendment put forward by a Tory whether it's sensible or not. But when they abstain there is always a small group who decide for themselves.
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Post by tonygreaves on Sept 18, 2020 16:43:59 GMT
It's always interesting to see who people get as their two supporters at their introductions. Ken Clarke had Lord Heseltine (Non-Aff) and Lord Deben who hangs on as a Conservative. Gisela Stuart had Lord Owen (!!!) and Lord King of Lothbury (Mervyn King, who was joined up in 2013 as a Crossbencher, made his maiden speech in 2015 and has not as far as I can tell spoken since.)
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Post by greenchristian on Sept 19, 2020 19:43:49 GMT
It's always interesting to see who people get as their two supporters at their introductions. Ken Clarke had Lord Heseltine (Non-Aff) and Lord Deben who hangs on as a Conservative. Gisela Stuart had Lord Owen (!!!) and Lord King of Lothbury (Mervyn King, who was joined up in 2013 as a Crossbencher, made his maiden speech in 2015 and has not as far as I can tell spoken since.) I'm now curious as to who served in this role for the two Green peers. Any way I can easily find out?
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Post by Chris from Brum on Sept 19, 2020 20:17:49 GMT
It's always interesting to see who people get as their two supporters at their introductions. Ken Clarke had Lord Heseltine (Non-Aff) and Lord Deben who hangs on as a Conservative. Gisela Stuart had Lord Owen (!!!) and Lord King of Lothbury (Mervyn King, who was joined up in 2013 as a Crossbencher, made his maiden speech in 2015 and has not as far as I can tell spoken since.) I'm now curious as to who served in this role for the two Green peers. Any way I can easily find out? Ask them?
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Post by andrea on Sept 19, 2020 20:18:12 GMT
It's always interesting to see who people get as their two supporters at their introductions. Ken Clarke had Lord Heseltine (Non-Aff) and Lord Deben who hangs on as a Conservative. Gisela Stuart had Lord Owen (!!!) and Lord King of Lothbury (Mervyn King, who was joined up in 2013 as a Crossbencher, made his maiden speech in 2015 and has not as far as I can tell spoken since.) I'm now curious as to who served in this role for the two Green peers. Any way I can easily find out? Natalie Louise Bennett, having been created Baroness Bennett of Manor Castle, of Camden in the Royal Borough of Camden, was introduced and made the solemn affirmation, supported by Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb and Lord Bird Jennifer Helen Jones, having been created Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb, of Moulsecoomb in the County of East Sussex, was introduced and made the solemn affirmation, supported by Baroness Kennedy of The Shaws and Baroness Grey-Thompson
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Post by greenchristian on Sept 19, 2020 20:22:47 GMT
I'm now curious as to who served in this role for the two Green peers. Any way I can easily find out? Natalie Louise Bennett, having been created Baroness Bennett of Manor Castle, of Camden in the Royal Borough of Camden, was introduced and made the solemn affirmation, supported by Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb and Lord Bird Jennifer Helen Jones, having been created Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb, of Moulsecoomb in the County of East Sussex, was introduced and made the solemn affirmation, supported by Baroness Kennedy of The Shaws and Baroness Grey-Thompson Odd that Natalie Bennett was introduced as being of Camden, given that she moved to Sheffield when she stood down as party leader, which was years before her peerage. Thank you for knowing and sharing the information, though.
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Post by Chris from Brum on Sept 19, 2020 20:24:59 GMT
Natalie Louise Bennett, having been created Baroness Bennett of Manor Castle, of Camden in the Royal Borough of Camden, was introduced and made the solemn affirmation, supported by Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb and Lord Bird Jennifer Helen Jones, having been created Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb, of Moulsecoomb in the County of East Sussex, was introduced and made the solemn affirmation, supported by Baroness Kennedy of The Shaws and Baroness Grey-Thompson Odd that Natalie Bennett was introduced as being of Camden, given that she moved to Sheffield when she stood down as party leader, which was years before her peerage. Thank you for knowing and sharing the information, though. Would that be Helena Kennedy and John "Big Issue" Bird? I think we probably all know who Tanni Grey-Thompson is.
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Post by greenchristian on Sept 19, 2020 20:26:04 GMT
Odd that Natalie Bennett was introduced as being of Camden, given that she moved to Sheffield when she stood down as party leader, which was years before her peerage. Thank you for knowing and sharing the information, though. Would that be Helena Kennedy and John "Big Issue" Bird? Yes (he said having just looked them up on Wikipedia).
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Post by greatkingrat on Sept 19, 2020 21:15:48 GMT
Natalie Louise Bennett, having been created Baroness Bennett of Manor Castle, of Camden in the Royal Borough of Camden, was introduced and made the solemn affirmation, supported by Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb and Lord Bird Jennifer Helen Jones, having been created Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb, of Moulsecoomb in the County of East Sussex, was introduced and made the solemn affirmation, supported by Baroness Kennedy of The Shaws and Baroness Grey-Thompson Odd that Natalie Bennett was introduced as being of Camden, given that she moved to Sheffield when she stood down as party leader, which was years before her peerage. Thank you for knowing and sharing the information, though. Also, since when has Camden been a "Royal" Borough?
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Post by J.G.Harston on Sept 20, 2020 7:53:13 GMT
Odd that Natalie Bennett was introduced as being of Camden, given that she moved to Sheffield when she stood down as party leader, which was years before her peerage. Thank you for knowing and sharing the information, though. Would that be Helena Kennedy and John "Big Issue" Bird? I think we probably all know who Tanni Grey-Thompson is. Whenever I hear her name the presenters always seem to be saying Tanni-Grey Thompson.
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Post by johnloony on Sept 20, 2020 19:52:22 GMT
Would that be Helena Kennedy and John "Big Issue" Bird? I think we probably all know who Tanni Grey-Thompson is. Whenever I hear her name the presenters always seem to be saying Tanni-Grey Thompson. It's the same with Tim Brooke-Taylor. It's because of the number of syllables.
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Post by J.G.Harston on Sept 20, 2020 21:16:35 GMT
Whenever I hear her name the presenters always seem to be saying Tanni-Grey Thompson. It's the same with Tim Brooke-Taylor. It's because of the number of syllables. Yes. Mr Taylor, first name Tim-Brooke.
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Post by tonygreaves on Sept 20, 2020 21:40:00 GMT
I think Manor Castle is in Sheffield. That is part of her name. Camden is her territorial designation. Just saying.
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Post by tonygreaves on Sept 20, 2020 21:43:05 GMT
Still none next week. Garter on furlough! So the numbers for a few days will be Con 253, Lab 176, LD 88, DUP 4, Green 2, UUP 2, PC 1, Others with political labels 6. Cross-bench 179, Non-affiliated 52, Bishops 26. Speaker 1. Compare with the votes on the Agriculture Bill on Tuesday. First vote: Contents (for the amendment) 130. Not contents (against the amendment) 225. This was a rebel Con amendment from Lord Northbrook about producing food for the purposes of a sufficient level of food security. There were seven Con rebels and most of the Content vote were 75 Liberal Democrats and 34 X-bench. 194 Con voted with the Government. Labour officially abstained (a handful on each side) (and so did I!) Second vote: Contents (for the amendment) 258, Not contents (Government) 208. This was an official Labour amendment to insert to a section on giving financial assistance to farmers and land managers: “( ) The Secretary of State must have regard to the current environmental improvement plan when setting out strategic priorities for giving financial assistance during the plan period.” Voting: Bishops 2 C. Conservative 3 C (ie rebels), 182 Not C (ie Government). X-bench 49 C, 21 Not C. Lab 115 C., 1 Not C.(rebel). LD 74 C. Green 2 C. Others 13 C, 4 Not C. I've put these on because they show how even all the new Con peers will not make all that much difference to many divisions. The turnout in this division was depressed a bit by being after 9pm. A more typical Con turnout at present would be between 200 and 210. The opposition turnouts were not untypical - Labour get 65% of their members out for their own amendment. The Liberals get 85% out (including me!) It's not too hard when people can vote from their computers or mobile devices wherever they are. I guess that all the main parties had 2-line whips on for this vote. Some comments rather than facts. Labour have problems getting their vote out which they need to work on (to be fair they have a lot of older peers in the group). Labour seem not to vote for any amendment put forward by a Tory whether it's sensible or not. But when they abstain there is always a small group who decide for themselves. Latest vote this week (also at the Agriculture Bill report stage, on Thursday) saw the government lose by 280 to 218. Some way to go yet before they have an automatic majority!
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