Tony Otim
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Post by Tony Otim on Sept 11, 2020 20:27:20 GMT
Composition now: Con 252, Lab 174, LD 88, DUP 4, Green 2, UUP 2, PC 1, Others with political labels 6. Cross-bench 178, Non-affiliated 48, Bishops 26. Speaker 1. Who are the six? 2 Independent Labour, 1 Conservative Independent, 1 Independent Social Democrat, 1 Labour Independent and 1 Independent Ulster Unionist
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Post by yellowperil on Sept 11, 2020 20:27:47 GMT
I saw this and said "Who?" Former Law Lord/Supreme Court judge. Does not seem to have spoken in the Lords, at least in recent times, chaired an obscure committee, voted once in recent times (as part of a small group of hardline Brexiters, it seems.) Leaving on Monday. I knew his real name was familiar - he chaired the Marchioness Inquiry set up by Prescott and the subsequent Public Inquest. And Stone-cum- Ebony is on the Isle of Oxney and is in Ashford Borough. Just in case anybody needed to know.
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Post by Disgusted Of Tunbridge Wells on Sept 11, 2020 20:35:02 GMT
Composition now: Con 252, Lab 174, LD 88, DUP 4, Green 2, UUP 2, PC 1, Others with political labels 6. Cross-bench 178, Non-affiliated 48, Bishops 26. Speaker 1. Who are the six? I think I found the answer to this question on the HoL website. 1) Lord Stevens of Ludgate - Independent Conservative. 2) and 3) Lord Stoddart of Swindon and Lord Truscott - Independent Labour. 4) Lord Owen - Independent Social Democrat. 5) Lord Maginnis of Drumglass - Independent Ulster Unionist. 6) Baroness Blackstone - Labour Independent.
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Post by Disgusted Of Tunbridge Wells on Sept 11, 2020 20:36:00 GMT
2 Independent Labour, 1 Conservative Independent, 1 Independent Social Democrat, 1 Labour Independent and 1 Independent Ulster Unionist Damn,beat me to it
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Post by greenchristian on Sept 11, 2020 20:37:33 GMT
2 Independent Labour, 1 Conservative Independent, 1 Independent Social Democrat, 1 Labour Independent and 1 Independent Ulster Unionist Damn,beat me to it You included the names, though.
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Post by Disgusted Of Tunbridge Wells on Sept 11, 2020 20:41:17 GMT
Damn,beat me to it You included the names, though. True, it was very interesting to see the different labels. I wonder what the differences are between the Labour Independent and Independent Labour peers.
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Tony Otim
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Post by Tony Otim on Sept 11, 2020 20:45:46 GMT
You included the names, though. True, it was very interesting to see the different labels. I wonder what the differences are between the Labour Independent and Independent Labour peers. That they dislike each other so want a different label?
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Post by timmullen1 on Sept 11, 2020 20:56:10 GMT
True, it was very interesting to see the different labels. I wonder what the differences are between the Labour Independent and Independent Labour peers. That they dislike each other so want a different label? If I recall correctly Stoddart was suspended for backing a Socialist Alliance candidate against Shaun Woodward in 2001, and Truscott has had enough ethical issues to earn himself a suspension from the House so could have been expelled from the Party also. They are both pro-Brexit as well. Blackstone I have no idea because the Labour website still lists her.
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Post by Disgusted Of Tunbridge Wells on Sept 11, 2020 21:12:22 GMT
True, it was very interesting to see the different labels. I wonder what the differences are between the Labour Independent and Independent Labour peers. That they dislike each other so want a different label? Could be it, but it's a strange way to list themselves given the reason they were expelled. Independent Socialists would make more sense.
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Post by Disgusted Of Tunbridge Wells on Sept 11, 2020 21:17:48 GMT
That they dislike each other so want a different label? If I recall correctly Stoddart was suspended for backing a Socialist Alliance candidate against Shaun Woodward in 2001, and Truscott has had enough ethical issues to earn himself a suspension from the House so could have been expelled from the Party also. They are both pro-Brexit as well. Blackstone I have no idea because the Labour website still lists her. On this webpage (https://members.parliament.uk/member/3561/contact), it says Baroness Blackstone has sat as a Labour Independent peer since the 1st of January 2018,maybe it was something that happened under Corbyn's tenure. I'm not surprised Labour's website haven't picked this up though.
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Post by Disgusted Of Tunbridge Wells on Sept 11, 2020 21:20:37 GMT
That they dislike each other so want a different label? If I recall correctly Stoddart was suspended for backing a Socialist Alliance candidate against Shaun Woodward in 2001, and Truscott has had enough ethical issues to earn himself a suspension from the House so could have been expelled from the Party also. They are both pro-Brexit as well. Blackstone I have no idea because the Labour website still lists her. Happened on the same day as this apparently: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43609296
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Post by timmullen1 on Sept 11, 2020 21:32:56 GMT
If I recall correctly Stoddart was suspended for backing a Socialist Alliance candidate against Shaun Woodward in 2001, and Truscott has had enough ethical issues to earn himself a suspension from the House so could have been expelled from the Party also. They are both pro-Brexit as well. Blackstone I have no idea because the Labour website still lists her. On this webpage (https://members.parliament.uk/member/3561/contact), it says Baroness Blackstone has sat as a Labour Independent peer since the 1st of January 2018,maybe it was something that happened under Corbyn's tenure. I'm not surprised Labour's website haven't picked this up though. If I recall correctly Stoddart was suspended for backing a Socialist Alliance candidate against Shaun Woodward in 2001, and Truscott has had enough ethical issues to earn himself a suspension from the House so could have been expelled from the Party also. They are both pro-Brexit as well. Blackstone I have no idea because the Labour website still lists her. On this webpage (https://members.parliament.uk/member/3561/contact), it says Baroness Blackstone has sat as a Labour Independent peer since the 1st of January 2018,maybe it was something that happened under Corbyn's tenure. I'm not surprised Labour's website haven't picked this up though. Yes, I looked at that page, and my first reaction was that maybe she’d resigned either in protest at Corbyn generally or antisemitism more specifically, but I can’t find anything at all via Google.
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Post by Disgusted Of Tunbridge Wells on Sept 11, 2020 21:49:58 GMT
On this webpage (https://members.parliament.uk/member/3561/contact), it says Baroness Blackstone has sat as a Labour Independent peer since the 1st of January 2018,maybe it was something that happened under Corbyn's tenure. I'm not surprised Labour's website haven't picked this up though. On this webpage (https://members.parliament.uk/member/3561/contact), it says Baroness Blackstone has sat as a Labour Independent peer since the 1st of January 2018,maybe it was something that happened under Corbyn's tenure. I'm not surprised Labour's website haven't picked this up though. Yes, I looked at that page, and my first reaction was that maybe she’d resigned either in protest at Corbyn generally or antisemitism more specifically, but I can’t find anything at all via Google. My above comment may explain it all.
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Post by johnloony on Sept 11, 2020 21:58:52 GMT
I think I found the answer to this question on the HoL website. 1) Lord Stevens of Ludgate - Independent Conservative. 2) and 3) Lord Stoddart of Swindon and Lord Truscott - Independent Labour. 4) Lord Owen - Independent Social Democrat. 5) Lord Maginnis of Drumglass - Independent Ulster Unionist. 6) Baroness Blackstone - Labour Independent. If Lord Owen is "Independent Social Democrat", did he ever resign as a member of the SDP at a specific time or for a specific reason, or did he just vaguely let his membership lapse some time?
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Post by timmullen1 on Sept 11, 2020 22:06:53 GMT
I think I found the answer to this question on the HoL website. 1) Lord Stevens of Ludgate - Independent Conservative. 2) and 3) Lord Stoddart of Swindon and Lord Truscott - Independent Labour. 4) Lord Owen - Independent Social Democrat. 5) Lord Maginnis of Drumglass - Independent Ulster Unionist. 6) Baroness Blackstone - Labour Independent. If Lord Owen is "Independent Social Democrat", did he ever resign as a member of the SDP at a specific time or for a specific reason, or did he just vaguely let his membership lapse some time? Did he remain with them, as he’s only added “Social Democrat” in the last few months.
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Post by Disgusted Of Tunbridge Wells on Sept 11, 2020 22:14:16 GMT
I think I found the answer to this question on the HoL website. 1) Lord Stevens of Ludgate - Independent Conservative. 2) and 3) Lord Stoddart of Swindon and Lord Truscott - Independent Labour. 4) Lord Owen - Independent Social Democrat. 5) Lord Maginnis of Drumglass - Independent Ulster Unionist. 6) Baroness Blackstone - Labour Independent. If Lord Owen is "Independent Social Democrat", did he ever resign as a member of the SDP at a specific time or for a specific reason, or did he just vaguely let his membership lapse some time? It is, I believe, because he is not a member of the current Social Democratic Party (the new new one) and therefore he is a peer, independent of that party.
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Post by CatholicLeft on Sept 11, 2020 22:25:24 GMT
If Lord Owen is "Independent Social Democrat", did he ever resign as a member of the SDP at a specific time or for a specific reason, or did he just vaguely let his membership lapse some time? Did he remain with them, as he’s only added “Social Democrat” in the last few months. Basically, he is Labour again, but there would be incandescence if he put that. He supported Labour under Ed Miliband over OMOV so could hardly be seen to whinge over the Jeremy Corbyn victory. I suspect he is much happier under Sir Keir. I hold my hands up, I absolutely despised the fellow when I was a young man, although I have generally got on with people of all political persuasions. He has never been happy with Liberals (not to their surprise), was not, despite my view of him at the time, any great fan of Margaret Thatcher. He is an example of those promoted far too young and, thus, suffering disappointment afterwards.
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Post by timmullen1 on Sept 11, 2020 22:44:14 GMT
Did he remain with them, as he’s only added “Social Democrat” in the last few months. Basically, he is Labour again, but there would be incandescence if he put that. He supported Labour under Ed Miliband over OMOV so could hardly be seen to whinge over the Jeremy Corbyn victory. I suspect he is much happier under Sir Keir. I hold my hands up, I absolutely despised the fellow when I was a young man, although I have generally got on with people of all political persuasions. He has never been happy with Liberals (not to their surprise), was not, despite my view of him at the time, any great fan of Margaret Thatcher. He is an example of those promoted far too young and, thus, suffering disappointment afterwards. Although his pro-Brexit stance would be another obstacle to full rapprochement with Labour.
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Post by Khunanup on Sept 12, 2020 14:29:08 GMT
Did he remain with them, as he’s only added “Social Democrat” in the last few months. Basically, he is Labour again, but there would be incandescence if he put that. He supported Labour under Ed Miliband over OMOV so could hardly be seen to whinge over the Jeremy Corbyn victory. I suspect he is much happier under Sir Keir. I hold my hands up, I absolutely despised the fellow when I was a young man, although I have generally got on with people of all political persuasions. He has never been happy with Liberals (not to their surprise), was not, despite my view of him at the time, any great fan of Margaret Thatcher. He is an example of those promoted far too young and, thus, suffering disappointment afterwards. Wherever he is, or whatever he does, Doctor Death will always let you down in the end...
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Post by tonygreaves on Sept 12, 2020 17:26:43 GMT
The six all have labels chosen by themselves unlike the other "political" peers who are members of a party group (or in the case of Daffydd Wigley his party's only rep). Apart from David Owen who is - well, David Owen - they tend to be people who have parted company with their party either due to a policy disagreement or due to some misdemeanour. There were some more who have now slipped into the Non-affiliated category eg former Conservative Lord Inglewood who fell out with the Government over Brexit. There were a couple of Independent LDs who have gone non-Aff.
Stevens was one of the Tories who was kicked out in 2004 for supporting UKIP in the Euro election. He was a UKIP peer for a while. Truscott and Stoddart left Labour due to misdemeanours (of different kinds) and do NOT form a group of two! Maginnis left UUP due to a misdemeanour. I don't know about Tessa Blackstone.
In practice most of the Non-Affiliated peers are politicians with clear views and affiliations who do not wish to take a whip (officially anyway) sometimes due to jobs that they have outside the House.
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