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Post by tonygreaves on Sept 27, 2019 17:02:04 GMT
Lots of historical accident in such matters. The interesting (and in many ways odd) thing is that often areas of strength and places of weakness persist for decades, even when there is no obvious demographic or geographical reason for it.
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Post by andrew111 on Sept 27, 2019 19:06:49 GMT
ABERDEEN UA; Bridge of Don (Double vacancy – Con & SNP resigned) This is presumably named for the suburb. Only half of the actual bridge is in the ward. Does Stephenson have any political relationship to the outgoing Independent? The Aberdeen by-election is interesting as an STV election for 2 seats - is this the first such occurrence? ISTR at least one previous such by-election has been covered in these columns. Which speaks volumes against some of the traditional arguments for STV. Parties that promote it because of "candidate choice" frankly should be standing more candidates to give the voters what they preach. Yes they should, but all the Parties should be obliged to put up as many candidates as seats or stand as independents |
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Post by greenchristian on Sept 27, 2019 23:56:03 GMT
This is presumably named for the suburb. Only half of the actual bridge is in the ward. Does Stephenson have any political relationship to the outgoing Independent? ISTR at least one previous such by-election has been covered in these columns. Which speaks volumes against some of the traditional arguments for STV. Parties that promote it because of "candidate choice" frankly should be standing more candidates to give the voters what they preach. Yes they should, but all the Parties should be obliged to put up as many candidates as seats or stand as independents So a party that doesn't have enough members in the area to put up a candidate for every seat can't use their party name in the election? |
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Post by andrew111 on Sept 28, 2019 5:48:18 GMT
Yes they should, but all the Parties should be obliged to put up as many candidates as seats or stand as independents So a party that doesn't have enough members in the area to put up a candidate for every seat can't use their party name in the election? Yes, but i would allow "Independent Green" as a description. Might be that 2 cansidates for 3 seats would be allowed, but the principle is to make sure voters have choice within a Party. With electronic counting, randomised ballot papers are also a good idea to stop the alphabet effect |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2019 12:56:02 GMT
I've been out in Clarence today. It was surprisingly better than I thought. I still think the Lib Dems will win handsomely. A few Tories out too. I think there's probably a core Tory vote that will remain loyal. I think the real unknown is how well the Greens do. They haven't actually done anything so far
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Post by Penddu on Sept 29, 2019 6:51:13 GMT
Plaid Cymru have been making some very positive noises about Whitchurch - expect them to do well but maybe not enough to win....
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Post by cibwr on Sept 29, 2019 12:30:19 GMT
Plaid Cymru have been making some very positive noises about Whitchurch - expect them to do well but maybe not enough to win.... Well back in the mists of time Plaid indeed used to do well here and particularly in Tongwynlais, which is part of the ward. The historian/councillor Edgar Chappell was a councillor here in the 1930s, worth reading up on him.... |
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Post by owainsutton on Sept 29, 2019 16:03:09 GMT
Word from Charnwood is that it's looking really close between Tories & Greens.
Yes, I know that everyone always says that!
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Post by froome on Sept 29, 2019 19:05:39 GMT
So a party that doesn't have enough members in the area to put up a candidate for every seat can't use their party name in the election? Yes, but i would allow "Independent Green" as a description. Might be that 2 cansidates for 3 seats would be allowed, but the principle is to make sure voters have choice within a Party. With electronic counting, randomised ballot papers are also a good idea to stop the alphabet effectWithout wishing to take this thread completely off topic, I've never understood why this doesn't just happen for every election. Is there any law that actually says that candidates have to be listed alphabetically, or is it just custom? |
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Post by owainsutton on Sept 30, 2019 10:57:38 GMT
Yes, but i would allow "Independent Green" as a description. Might be that 2 cansidates for 3 seats would be allowed, but the principle is to make sure voters have choice within a Party. With electronic counting, randomised ballot papers are also a good idea to stop the alphabet effectWithout wishing to take this thread completely off topic, I've never understood why this doesn't just happen for every election. Is there any law that actually says that candidates have to be listed alphabetically, or is it just custom? The Representation of the People Act 1983 requires the SoPN to be alphabetical (using commonly-used names if provided) - www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1983/2/schedule/1/part/II/chapter/n2/crossheading/publication-of-statement-of-persons-nominatedThe ballot papers "shall contain the names and other particulars of the candidates as shown in the statement of persons nominated", so I suspect that this does not give permission for the order of the SoPN to be altered, ballots have to follow suit? www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1983/2/schedule/1/part/III/chapter/crossheading/the-ballot-papers |
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Post by johnloony on Sept 30, 2019 14:10:12 GMT
A few years ago there was a parliamentary by-election in which the result for one of the candidates was announced not in alphabetical order, so presumably the ballot paper itself was also not in order. I can't remember exactly which one it was, but I suspect that a computer somewhere (rather than a human) had decided to list the "Mac/Mc" names separately from the M names. Of course the AV and EU referendums were both rigged by having the options listed not in alphabetical order. |
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Post by johnloony on Sept 30, 2019 14:22:55 GMT
Another pro-indy socialist party, see also SSP, Solidarity and others... It has an interesting website which is very helpful in explaining their well-developed and thoughtful policies: redparty.scot/ |
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Post by yellowperil on Oct 1, 2019 9:07:26 GMT
What another choice set of surnames for punning in the Aberdeen double by election.
Will the Conservative candidate finish up very CROSS?
How HARDIE will the Green candidate be when faced with the realities of the ballot box?
Is the Indy candidate as m'CLEAN as he claims?
Will the SNP candidate get MENNIE votes?
Will the Lib Dem prove not to be Polish after all but impeccably SKOCZ?
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Post by bjornhattan on Oct 1, 2019 12:03:54 GMT
Just reading the old preview, it's surprising that the Greens have never been able to properly challenge in Clarence ward. The description of the central Fleetville area could probably be passed off as a description of St. Mary's ward in Oxford, or to a lesser extent the other two wards just over Magdalen Bridge, just without all the students. Obviously the other parts of Clarence ward will be much weaker for them, but I might have expected them to have come second at least once over the last 15 years.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2019 16:39:48 GMT
Just reading the old preview, it's surprising that the Greens have never been able to properly challenge in Clarence ward. The description of the central Fleetville area could probably be passed off as a description of St. Mary's ward in Oxford, or to a lesser extent the other two wards just over Magdalen Bridge, just without all the students. Obviously the other parts of Clarence ward will be much weaker for them, but I might have expected them to have come second at least once over the last 15 years. they may well do on Thursday. They've never really broken upwards of 15% of the vote and very little work has been done here. They have quite a low ceiling. Before the Greens stood Labour used to poll second quite regularly during the Blair years. Since then the Greens have taken a chunk of the vote and two battle it out for third. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Oct 1, 2019 17:16:07 GMT
They put in a bit of effort around the 2012-14 period, largely I think cos they fancied their chances in the county seat. Also Jack Easton was trying to build a bit of support for his parliamentary campaign. I think both he and Simon Grover live in this ward actually
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2019 19:24:25 GMT
They put in a bit of effort around the 2012-14 period, largely I think cos they fancied their chances in the county seat. Also Jack Easton was trying to build a bit of support for his parliamentary campaign. I think both he and Simon Grover live in this ward actually certainly Grover does. Not sure where Jack lives. In 2012 tge Greens put out one leaflet/poster. They did have a bit of success that year because most voters didnt think labour should have selected an 18 year old |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2019 19:25:47 GMT
I saw more of ukip in Clarence in 2014 than anyone else if im honest
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Oct 1, 2019 23:24:36 GMT
I saw more of ukip in Clarence in 2014 than anyone else if im honest How so? You certainly saw no UKIP activists as we only had a paper candidate there. I doubt you saw many UKIP voters either.. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2019 10:04:47 GMT
I saw more of ukip in Clarence in 2014 than anyone else if im honest How so? You certainly saw no UKIP activists as we only had a paper candidate there. I doubt you saw many UKIP voters either.. ukip knocked on my door |
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