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Post by Merseymike on Sept 10, 2019 13:25:23 GMT
Who are the two Labour peers who used to be Tory MPs? Baron Howarth of Newport, Baron Davies of Stamford The former Alan Howarth and Quentin Davies Alan Howarth certainly didn't switch parties because of the polls. He changed his mind. Peter Kilfoyle MP who was a cynic at the best if times rated him and thought his change if view was genuine I don't know so much about Quentin Davies, but I recall hearing quite a frank interview with him where he said that he had gone along with things he had come to think of as nonsense simply because of tribal affiliation. Neither of them have left Labour. |
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Post by myth11 on Sept 10, 2019 15:19:09 GMT
Bassetlaw had very good local elections for Labour in May. Yes they did but a couple of weeks later the Brexit party did something Ukip did not do which is to win Bassetlaw in a euro election and by a large margin. 2019 Brexit 12,977 47.1% labour 4,127 15% lib dems 3,168 11.5% con 2301 8.4% green 2007 7.3% UKIP 1973 7.2% Change UK 760 2.8% Other (both pro leave as far as i am aware)236 0.9% 2014 result. narrow lab win over ukip by 78. 2009 con win over lab by 1974. 2004 narrow lab win over ukip by 73. 1999 narrow lab win over con by 112. The Bassetlaw constituency does not include the strong con wards of East Markham and Rampton plus more mixed ward of Tuxford which has leaned more con in recent years. |
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Post by jamie on Sept 10, 2019 15:46:57 GMT
Palmer was Leicester based and isvery pro-EU so presumably not a good choice for Labour.
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Post by Sibboleth on Sept 10, 2019 16:16:36 GMT
If Tradition is an indicator then the CLP will select the candidate most likely to turn out to be a massive crank.
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Post by myth11 on Sept 10, 2019 16:30:16 GMT
If Tradition is an indicator then the CLP will select the candidate most likely to turn out to be a massive crank. To be fair there has not been a Bassetlaw "born and bred mp" for Bassetlaw for at least 100 years but then again the mp for Broxtowe is from Bassetlaw.  |
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Post by Merseymike on Sept 10, 2019 16:35:52 GMT
Crank . Indeed.
Ramsey McDonald's son
Fred Bellenger, to the right of most Tories. Loved Rhodesia. Hated gays and trade unions
Joe Ashton, very good novelist, defender of MPs and Thai massage parlours.
Then Mann
This suggests one thing to me.
An all-women shortlist and a candidate imposed by the NEC
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Post by myth11 on Sept 10, 2019 16:39:42 GMT
Crank . Indeed. Ramsey McDonald's son Fred Bellenger, to the right of most Tories. Loved Rhodesia. Hated gays and trade unions Joe Ashton, very good novelist, defender of MPs and Thai massage parlours. Then Mann This suggests one thing to me. An all-women shortlist and a candidate imposed by the NEC Rhodesia is a village in Bassetlaw.... |
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Post by neilm on Sept 10, 2019 16:40:02 GMT
Who are the two Labour peers who used to be Tory MPs? Baron Howarth of Newport, Baron Davies of Stamford The former Alan Howarth and Quentin Davies Alan Howarth certainly didn't switch parties because of the polls. He changed his mind. Peter Kilfoyle MP who was a cynic at the best if times rated him and thought his change if view was genuine I don't know so much about Quentin Davies, but I recall hearing quite a frank interview with him where he said that he had gone along with things he had come to think of as nonsense simply because of tribal affiliation. Neither of them have left Labour. I'd honestly totally forgotten about both of them. Ridiculous really as I've mentioned Howarth on here before. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2019 16:44:13 GMT
Is Quentin Davies the predessor to David Cameron in Witney?
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Post by Merseymike on Sept 10, 2019 16:46:57 GMT
Is Quentin Davies the predessor to David Cameron in Witney? No, that was Shaun Woodward who defected to Labour and then became MP for St Helens South Quentin Davies was Nick Boles' predecessor in Grantham and Stamford. |
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Post by Merseymike on Sept 10, 2019 16:47:37 GMT
Crank . Indeed. Ramsey McDonald's son Fred Bellenger, to the right of most Tories. Loved Rhodesia. Hated gays and trade unions Joe Ashton, very good novelist, defender of MPs and Thai massage parlours. Then Mann This suggests one thing to me. An all-women shortlist and a candidate imposed by the NEC Why not Dominic Cummings as the next Labour Party candidate? 😜 👽 It would be a shift to the left after John Mann |
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Post by pragmaticidealist on Sept 10, 2019 18:12:17 GMT
Wollaston, Soubry and Allen have all gone from the Tory Party, as have Clarke, Grieve, R. Stewart.
Meanwhile Labour no longer has Frank Field, and both Mann and Hoey are leaving at the next dissolution.
There's going to be a severe lack of 'MPs liked more by the other party than their own' after the next election.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2019 18:13:35 GMT
Wollaston, Soubry and Allen have all gone from the Tory Party, as have Clarke, Grieve, R. Stewart. Meanwhile Labour no longer has Frank Field, and both Mann and Hoey are leaving at the next dissolution. There's going to be a severe lack of 'MPs liked more by the other party than their own' after the next election. Was Soubry really liked by people not in the Conservative Party?? I thought dislike for her was fairly universal. |
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Post by Sibboleth on Sept 10, 2019 18:20:06 GMT
Wollaston, Soubry and Allen have all gone from the Tory Party, as have Clarke, Grieve, R. Stewart. Meanwhile Labour no longer has Frank Field, and both Mann and Hoey are leaving at the next dissolution. There's going to be a severe lack of 'MPs liked more by the other party than their own' after the next election. Oh, don't worry: these particular vacancies are always filled rather quickly. Mann, for instance, was hardly well-liked by Tories a few years ago and the same is true in reverse for Grieve. |
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Post by jamie on Sept 10, 2019 19:06:17 GMT
Mann, for instance, was hardly well-liked by Tories a few years ago and the same is true in reverse for Grieve. Recent anti-Labour hero Ian Austin springs to mind. |
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Post by Richard Allen on Sept 10, 2019 19:16:25 GMT
Quentin Davies was Nick Boles' predecessor in Grantham and Stamford. Now there is a Tory Association that are useless at picking candidates. |
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Post by lbarnes on Sept 10, 2019 20:04:42 GMT
Quentin Davies was Nick Boles' predecessor in Grantham and Stamford. Now there is a Tory Association that are useless at picking candidates. Not as bad as Chingford. |
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Post by Andrew_S on Sept 10, 2019 20:06:35 GMT
Quentin Davies was Nick Boles' predecessor in Grantham and Stamford. Now there is a Tory Association that are useless at picking candidates. Liverpool Labour seem to be pretty awful at picking candidates as well.  |
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Post by myth11 on Sept 11, 2019 13:11:21 GMT
Palmer was Leicester based and isvery pro-EU so presumably not a good choice for Labour. The local party is worried which may mean my numbers are not far off lab 2017 12500 remain 15000 leave total 27500ish con 2017 5000 remain 17500 leave total 22500ish others(lib dem + indy) 1500 remain 600 leave total 2100ish Not in seat/did not vote remain 1500 ish leave 10000 ish |
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