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Post by No Offence Alan on Sept 21, 2019 21:40:34 GMT
We've all played those games. But of course the "last choice" is actually not a choice at all. It's the person you are definitively voting against. On the contrary - leaving someone off the ballot is a worse indictment than putting them as one's last choice. The latter indicates that however low one's level of confidence in them, they're at least worth a tick in a box. But in Scotland, where the STV local elections are counted electronically, there is a breakdown by preference, so you need to put the candidate you like least in last place to show in the results. E.g. in the last local elections in Renfrewshire, UKIP had the most last place preferences wherever they stood a candidate. |
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Post by tonygreaves on Sept 22, 2019 18:34:54 GMT
Liberal Party internal elections used to require writing in the names of the candidates (in order to eliminate alphabetical bias) in a grid with a space for each preference. There was a passionate argument about whether in a field of x candidates, there should be x or x-1 spaces. Just saying.
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Post by The Bishop on Sept 23, 2019 9:14:03 GMT
In STV voting there is no practical difference in a N-candidate contest between a voter filling in N or N-1 preferences. In fact, filling in the Nth preference may mean the voter wants to emphasise that a particular candidate is their choice of last resort, not that they consider them an acceptable candidate. In one internal LD election I had to go down to my 34th preference to ensure somebody would be my last choice.  Not that I would name her, of course. Well that has narrowed it down a bit already  |
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Post by ColinJ on Sept 23, 2019 16:02:36 GMT
Does anyone know the turnout at Old Swan please So far there's nothing official on Liverpool Council's web page and nothing either on the Liverpool Echo site. There were 2,082 valid votes in Old Swan yesterday. The best we can do for now is use the May 2019 electorate of the ward of 11,201 to get an approximation: 18.6%. Further to the query posed by phil156 , Liverpool City Council have now posted the Old Swan result. There were in fact 11,207 electors. So turnout was 18.6%. However, there were 14 rejected ballot papers, which raises the turnout fractionally to 18.7%. |
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Post by tonygreaves on Sept 23, 2019 19:33:53 GMT
Surely turnout includes spoilt papers?
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Sept 23, 2019 19:38:42 GMT
Surely turnout includes spoilt papers? Not by convention. Because the number of spoiled ballots isn't always recorded, turnout is normally the number of valid votes as a percentage of total electorate. |
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Post by tonygreaves on Sept 24, 2019 16:21:00 GMT
The number of spoilt papers is always recorded. Anyway the number of votes cast is recorded after the verification.
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Post by johnloony on Sept 25, 2019 0:21:31 GMT
In STV voting there is no practical difference in a N-candidate contest between a voter filling in N or N-1 preferences. In fact, filling in the Nth preference may mean the voter wants to emphasise that a particular candidate is their choice of last resort, not that they consider them an acceptable candidate. In one internal LD election I had to go down to my 34th preference to ensure somebody would be my last choice. Not that I would name her, of course. In some of the elections in the Electoral Reform Society, I used to put my least favourite candidate as number 666. |
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Post by andrewp on Sept 26, 2019 18:27:34 GMT
Blimey, the Lib Dem winner of last weeks Vivary Ward of Somerset West and Taunton council by election interviewed in the local paper today.
Only joined the party 4 months ago and ‘ I chose to stand as a Lib Dem because I think I feel the group best represent my views’
I hope he’s more certain than he sounds.
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Post by froome on Sept 26, 2019 20:15:40 GMT
Blimey, the Lib Dem winner of last weeks Vivary Ward of Somerset West and Taunton council by election interviewed in the local paper today. Only joined the party 4 months ago and ‘ I chose to stand as a Lib Dem because I think I feel the group best represent my views’ I hope he’s more certain than he sounds. With a middle name of Aneurin, it is surprising he didn't choose to stand for Labour. |
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