fourringcircus
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Post by fourringcircus on Sept 2, 2019 20:34:33 GMT
Would you care to comment on this table? I'll comment once you've explained why the same type of table used to display convictions for politicians telling lies has an even cleaner sheet! |
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Post by fourringcircus on Sept 2, 2019 20:41:14 GMT
For the housebound? For those working away? For polling staff? Housebound - a bed can be pushed!!! Working away - fuck'em - too busy making money Polling staff - I see no reason why they can't vote before 10pm |
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Post by andrew111 on Sept 2, 2019 21:47:28 GMT
Would you care to comment on this table? I'll comment once you've explained why the same type of table used to display convictions for politicians telling lies has an even cleaner sheet! Can you show us that table please?
There have been two MPs this year sacked for telling lies, and quite a few found guilty of expenses fraud in the past, so there is certainly some data for you to make a start on the table.
It won't alter the table David provided though, because that is just facts. Maybe there is a bit of PV fiddling going on in families, maybe a bit in nursing homes, but where I am the elections office takes this seriously. But the fact is it is currently the only part of voting where there is ANY check on identity. I could pop down at 7am and vote for my neighbour, move to another polling district and vote for someone else at 7.10 etc and no-one would know who had done it. Small risk, but not much
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Sept 2, 2019 21:49:26 GMT
Would you care to comment on this table? I'll comment once you've explained why the same type of table used to display convictions for politicians telling lies has an even cleaner sheet! Look, over there! A squirrel! |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Sept 2, 2019 22:05:20 GMT
For the housebound? For those working away? For polling staff? Housebound - a bed can be pushed!!! Working away - fuck'em - too busy making moneyPolling staff - I see no reason why they can't vote before 10pm Senior SNP figure says "fuck'em" to British Forces on postings, diplomats, charity workers ... |
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fourringcircus
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Post by fourringcircus on Sept 2, 2019 22:47:09 GMT
Senior SNP figure says "fuck'em" to British Forces on postings, diplomats, charity workers ... Where do you see a senior SNP figure? Did you miss the quip about pushing bed-ridden people to polling stations? *Stop Press* Irony as LibDem doesn't see satire! |
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Post by carlton43 on Sept 3, 2019 6:51:38 GMT
In other words you have seen reality and don't fully like it? What you see is what it is and has always been for thousands of years. It is the normal state. No, yes, maybe on part. Ones views evolve and change as one gets older anyway. it was 'ever thus' as my Granny was won't to remark. Don't give up on it. Fight your own small corner and try to help and advance those that you can. If we all do that the world will be a better and nicer place. |
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Post by andrew111 on Sept 3, 2019 7:56:42 GMT
it was 'ever thus' as my Granny was won't to remark. Don't give up on it. Fight your own small corner and try to help and advance those that you can. If we all do that the world will be a better and nicer place. . Agreed, but whilst doing so, be careful who you offer help to and take help from. And if supping with Tories take a long, long spoon. |
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Chris from Brum
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Post by Chris from Brum on Sept 3, 2019 8:19:37 GMT
And if supping with Tories take a long, long spoon. Runcible? The best Archbishop of Canterbury of my lifetime, but I haven't got him down as a natural Tory. |
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Post by The Bishop on Sept 3, 2019 10:36:57 GMT
The best Archbishop of Canterbury of my lifetime, but I haven't got him down as a natural Tory. IIRC he admitted off the record to voting for the SDP in the 1980s. |
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Post by Chris from Brum on Sept 3, 2019 11:09:35 GMT
The best Archbishop of Canterbury of my lifetime, but I haven't got him down as a natural Tory. IIRC he admitted off the record to voting for the SDP in the 1980s. As a member of the Lords, should he have been voting at all? But perhaps this was in local elections ... |
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Post by middyman on Sept 3, 2019 11:15:19 GMT
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Post by The Bishop on Sept 3, 2019 11:39:48 GMT
IIRC he admitted off the record to voting for the SDP in the 1980s. As a member of the Lords, should he have been voting at all? But perhaps this was in local elections ... It very likely was, yes. |
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Post by thirdchill on Sept 3, 2019 12:42:34 GMT
I sympathise with Middleenglander's predicament and reasoning a lot. I first noticed that I'd become disillusioned with "political" politics on the morning of the Brexit vote where I realised I actually didn't care we'd voted to leave despite voting to remain. I found my disillusionment starting on the morning after the brexit vote. The venom that occurred afterwards blew me away, as it wasn't just a 'we are disappointed at the result', it was a 'we do not respect the result at all' coming from certain quarters, which was not even that evident after Indyref. And the subsequent behaviour of the FBPE lot, which makes the Cybernats look mild by comparison, has got worse. Having always respected outcomes locally and nationally when they haven't gone my own way (and believe me I would have accepted that result if it went the other way without question), this attitude was startling to see and quite worrying, as a lack of respect for a democratic outcome should be. I then found the hardening of attitudes on both sides (amplified by those individuals trying to appeal to the social media campaigners with the most extreme viewpoints) to be depressing. It seemed more important to virtue signal to these extremes than actually deliver brexit in some form. I did not look at the brexit forum on here for quite a few months at one point, and started to switch off the TV whenever brexit was mentioned. The drift to the most extreme positions with any compromise being seen as 'treacherous' was the reason. In my case, my disillusionment may recover once brexit is resolved in one way or another. But we will see..... |
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Post by andrewteale on Sept 3, 2019 13:31:12 GMT
For the housebound? For those working away? For polling staff? Housebound - a bed can be pushed!!! Working away - fuck'em - too busy making money Polling staff - I see no reason why they can't vote before 10pm And for poll staff who are manning a polling station that's not their own? That's happened to me in the past and I was given a postal vote for it automatically. |
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Post by bjornhattan on Sept 3, 2019 15:48:13 GMT
I sympathise with Middleenglander's predicament and reasoning a lot. I first noticed that I'd become disillusioned with "political" politics on the morning of the Brexit vote where I realised I actually didn't care we'd voted to leave despite voting to remain. I found my disillusionment starting on the morning after the brexit vote. The venom that occurred afterwards blew me away, as it wasn't just a 'we are disappointed at the result', it was a 'we do not respect the result at all' coming from certain quarters, which was not even that evident after Indyref. And the subsequent behaviour of the FBPE lot, which makes the Cybernats look mild by comparison, has got worse. Having always respected outcomes locally and nationally when they haven't gone my own way (and believe me I would have accepted that result if it went the other way without question), this attitude was startling to see and quite worrying, as a lack of respect for a democratic outcome should be. I then found the hardening of attitudes on both sides (amplified by those individuals trying to appeal to the social media campaigners with the most extreme viewpoints) to be depressing. It seemed more important to virtue signal to these extremes than actually deliver brexit in some form. I did not look at the brexit forum on here for quite a few months at one point, and started to switch off the TV whenever brexit was mentioned. The drift to the most extreme positions with any compromise being seen as 'treacherous' was the reason. In my case, my disillusionment may recover once brexit is resolved in one way or another. But we will see..... Unfortunately the divisions we've seen have always been there - Brexit has just given them an outlet. People from places like the North East have always resented big cities, the south, and London, seeing them get richer whilst nothing changes. And people from London have probably always seen the rest of the country as backwards and behind the times. The difference is now there's a fairly clear example of it affecting voting. Whilst not every Remain voter is a city dwelling liberal, and not every Leave voter is from a smaller town, the divide in the vote is far closer to the broad cultural divide in the country than the Labour vs Conservative split ever was. I also suspect that because a broadly liberal metropolitan consensus had so dominated the country for about 25 years, people holding those sorts of views (who also tended to be the FBPE lot), weren't that used to losing. Part of the problem of the vote is now almost everyone sees the current state of affairs as bad, so it's inevitable that tempers will flare up. |
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Post by 🏴☠️ Neath West 🏴☠️ on Sept 3, 2019 15:59:13 GMT
The best Archbishop of Canterbury of my lifetime, but I haven't got him down as a natural Tory. And Lord Jakobovits was the best ABC we never had. He believed in more of Christianity than these theologically liberal bishops at least. |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Sept 3, 2019 16:07:00 GMT
"If we could, by some form of genetic engineering, eliminate those trends, we should, so long as it is done for a therapeutic purpose."?
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Post by 🏴☠️ Neath West 🏴☠️ on Sept 3, 2019 16:24:56 GMT
And Lord Jakobovits was the best ABC we never had. He believed in more of Christianity than these theologically liberal bishops at least. What nonsense. Judaism has some extremely stark differences from Christianity. Most Jews would find this remark not just nonsense but close to being offensive & disrespectful of their religion. I'm sure he would have found it funny. After all, he too believed in God. |
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Post by greenchristian on Sept 3, 2019 17:25:26 GMT
Postal votes should be banned, as they are the most open aspect of the system to abuse. I speak as one who has been a referendum agent and seen what passes for a signature check. The signatures are not ALL checked - only the ones which the agents can see and question by looking over the shoulders of the dozens of clerks who are inputing the data. Even then, the arbitor of the questionable signatures can make ample reasons for signatures which aren't quite the same. The reference signature can also be years old - another reason not to reject. I've observed plenty of postal vote openings over the years, and every one has done a signature check. In every case, the signature forms have been scanned, run through an automatic check program, and those that the software doesn't match are flagged up to the staff member operating the computer with the scanner, who then does a manual check. If that's not happening in Scotland, when it's routine across several different councils in the Midlands, then you Scots need to learn best practice. |
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