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Post by timmullen1 on Aug 14, 2019 14:33:16 GMT
Can you launch a Recall Petition without a a preceding criminal conviction? I thought they were there to cover those who received non-custodial sentences that were beneath the automatic disqualification threshold. Or being suspended from HOC for longer than x days as was Ian paisley jnr or being convicted of an offense relating to expenses or jailed for less than 12 (?) months Yes, I forget the Paisley suspension clause, but even with that O’Mara doesn’t appear to have met any of the criteria.
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Post by andrew111 on Aug 14, 2019 14:51:44 GMT
Or being suspended from HOC for longer than x days as was Ian paisley jnr or being convicted of an offense relating to expenses or jailed for less than 12 (?) months Yes, I forget the Paisley suspension clause, but even with that O’Mara doesn’t appear to have met any of the criteria. It seems he would need to be suspended for 14 days by the Committee on Standards, which will presumably meet some time after Parliament returns and then there will be a petition that takes about a month to organise and complete. Seems like December is the earliest we could expect a by-election that way? Lib Dems and Labour will be knackered!
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Post by pragmaticidealist on Aug 14, 2019 15:10:38 GMT
I propose that we make this thread as long as possible, so as to be all the more amusing if/when the by-election is cancelled due to an impending general election.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2019 15:12:25 GMT
Sheffield Hallam has the longest thread on UK Polling Report
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Aug 14, 2019 15:15:23 GMT
I propose that we make this thread as long as possible, so as to be all the more amusing if/when the by-election is cancelled due to an impending general election. We have 70 pages on the Manchester Gorton by-election that never happened
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Post by andrew111 on Aug 14, 2019 15:24:57 GMT
What was Greystones like when you growing up? I only ask because I've just bought my own house and I'd say we've done quite well given I'm not earning that well so I was surprised to see so many young professionals living in what I guess would be affordable housing built before the war. I can't say I knew Greystones well in terms of who lived there. We often shopped at Banner Cross and often went to Endcliffe Park, When I was a teenager I would walk back from Bramall Lane along Sharrow Lane and Psalter Lane. My brother owned a house right at the top of Greystones road at one time but that was not really in Greystones. Greystones was and is an area of terraces and smaller semis with small gardens, up market from Sharrow Lane but downmarket from the bigger semis where we lived. I suspect it was about equal Labour and Tory then, but since then the Tory vote has moved outwards. The Tories used to win quite inner city wards in both Sheffield and Leeds in those days... Ecclesall ward was solidly Tory back then and there were not many Liberals around in Sheffield (only in Burngreave...) These days I suspect Greystones is very like Chapelallerton in Leeds, full of young graduates (many of whom went to the local university and stayed on) both renting and first time buyers, and very Remain apart from a few older more traditional residents. Slightly too far out to be full of students. Is that about right? (I should say i lived in Leeds for many years in a more politically aware phase of my life!)
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Post by andrew111 on Aug 14, 2019 15:26:40 GMT
Sheffield Hallam has the longest thread on UK Polling Report I had forgotten that even existed!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2019 15:35:31 GMT
It certainly seemed that way. Maybe a few more young families too. A lot of public sector workers as i think has been mentioned up thread. Definitely had that middle man feel. Lots of people who seemed to be doing well in an area that perhaps wasn't doing as well as those living there
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2019 15:44:53 GMT
How rich is this seat these days?
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Post by jamie on Aug 14, 2019 16:26:15 GMT
So I was out in Greystones this evening which is in Ecclesall. Already Labour posters up. I only spoke to a few most of mine were out. The ones I did speak to were undecided. My comrades had more luck they spoke to quite a few Labour voters. Brexit only came up twice. Most people mentioned austerity particularly hitting schools and the health service. Climate change came up a couple times too. My takeaway tonight was that the core Labour vote is pretty solid. Swing voters haven't made up their mind. The Lib Dems would do better in a general election next year than a by election now. That would be very surprising. The Liberal Democrats have always done well at by elections as they are well organised and present themselves as the clear protest vote. Come a general election and they may well be squeezed by the big 2 and have less of an organisational advantage (particularly on turnout). I would also imagine the circumstances that caused a by election in Hallam would be very favourable for the Lib Dems but would be drowned out by a national general election campaign.
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Post by andrew111 on Aug 14, 2019 20:05:49 GMT
So I was out in Greystones this evening which is in Ecclesall. Already Labour posters up. I only spoke to a few most of mine were out. The ones I did speak to were undecided. My comrades had more luck they spoke to quite a few Labour voters. Brexit only came up twice. Most people mentioned austerity particularly hitting schools and the health service. Climate change came up a couple times too. My takeaway tonight was that the core Labour vote is pretty solid. Swing voters haven't made up their mind. The Lib Dems would do better in a general election next year than a by election now. That would be very surprising. The Liberal Democrats have always done well at by elections as they are well organised and present themselves as the clear protest vote. Come a general election and they may well be squeezed by the big 2 and have less of an organisational advantage (particularly on turnout). I would also imagine the circumstances that caused a by election in Hallam would be very favourable for the Lib Dems but would be drowned out by a national general election campaign. Hallam is one of the places where the Lib Dems are very well organised and have a lot of experience. That is why they won all 4 council seats in May and still had the resource to help gain seats in places like Beighton and E Ecclesfield. The by-election dividend in terms of helpers is much less than in Brecon and Radnor. Leeds NW is mentioned above: the Lib Dems never managed to gain control of the local government seats like in Hallam and have never gained control of the council as they did in Sheffield. Hence they do not have the same credibility. Add in that Leeds NW has a bigger Labour core vote in council housing and it is a tougher nut than Hallam
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Post by andrew111 on Aug 14, 2019 20:08:25 GMT
How rich is this seat these days? Wikipedia gives some numbers. Very rich for the N of England and very well educated. Very little social housing as mentioned above
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2019 21:05:55 GMT
of the few people I spoke to a couple of them said they're thinking about voting Lib Dem in the next general or local elections but were unsure about the by election.
I doubt the Lib Dems did very much in Hallam during the locals. Though the decent Green vote might change that. I bumped into my friend Euan after hed bused it down to Mosborough from Nether Edge. I guess that was where resources were thrown at
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Post by andrew111 on Aug 14, 2019 21:21:02 GMT
of the few people I spoke to a couple of them said they're thinking about voting Lib Dem in the next general or local elections but were unsure about the by election. I doubt the Lib Dems did very much in Hallam during the locals. Though the decent Green vote might change that. I bumped into my friend Euan after hed bused it down to Mosborough from Nether Edge. I guess that was where resources were thrown at Sounds like you might have met some people who are not sure what a by-election is! Re local elections, quite possible, although I imagine work was done in Crookes/Crosspool. Wasn't that a gain? There will be an effective local delivery network though. That allows your activists to work elsewhere.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2019 21:55:03 GMT
There were actually remarkably engaged voters. I had a couple people tell me we should have a committee system back which is a first for me in my decade of door knocking
I think it was a hold. Last year was a lib dem gain and next year the lib dems will be looking for a gain.
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Post by andrew111 on Aug 14, 2019 22:26:08 GMT
There were actually remarkably engaged voters. I had a couple people tell me we should have a committee system back which is a first for me in my decade of door knocking I think it was a hold. Last year was a lib dem gain and next year the lib dems will be looking for a gain. Committee system sounds like a reaction to the rather totalitarian response by Labour to the trees issue. It seems to be the gift that goes on giving to both Greens and Lib Dems. Harrassing retired female academics for trying to save the trees outside their house is not a good look whichever way you look at it. Lib Dems are generally opposed to the Cabinet system which is one of Tony Blairs centralising ideas.. STV is what is really needed to reinvigorate local government in my view though. Looks like Labour will lose control in a year or two. Do you think the Greens and Lib Dems are friendly enough to form an administration?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2019 6:25:38 GMT
There were actually remarkably engaged voters. I had a couple people tell me we should have a committee system back which is a first for me in my decade of door knocking I think it was a hold. Last year was a lib dem gain and next year the lib dems will be looking for a gain. Committee system sounds like a reaction to the rather totalitarian response by Labour to the trees issue. It seems to be the gift that goes on giving to both Greens and Lib Dems. Harrassing retired female academics for trying to save the trees outside their house is not a good look whichever way you look at it. Lib Dems are generally opposed to the Cabinet system which is one of Tony Blairs centralising ideas.. STV is what is really needed to reinvigorate local government in my view though. Looks like Labour will lose control in a year or two. Do you think the Greens and Lib Dems are friendly enough to form an administration? I don't know either party to be confident enough to say either way. I spoke to Euan about it who would have a better idea but he didn't either. He did say he thought the Greens would be punished if they allowed Labour to continue in office. I don't know if that's true or not
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2019 7:18:07 GMT
Ian Walker is standing for the Conservatives I think.
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Post by greenchristian on Aug 15, 2019 11:14:28 GMT
There were actually remarkably engaged voters. I had a couple people tell me we should have a committee system back which is a first for me in my decade of door knocking I think it was a hold. Last year was a lib dem gain and next year the lib dems will be looking for a gain. Committee system sounds like a reaction to the rather totalitarian response by Labour to the trees issue. It seems to be the gift that goes on giving to both Greens and Lib Dems. Harrassing retired female academics for trying to save the trees outside their house is not a good look whichever way you look at it. Lib Dems are generally opposed to the Cabinet system which is one of Tony Blairs centralising ideas.. STV is what is really needed to reinvigorate local government in my view though. Looks like Labour will lose control in a year or two. Do you think the Greens and Lib Dems are friendly enough to form an administration? I have no idea, but given that they've apparently been working together on the trees issue it seems more likely than not.
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Post by andrew111 on Aug 17, 2019 13:23:45 GMT
Committee system sounds like a reaction to the rather totalitarian response by Labour to the trees issue. It seems to be the gift that goes on giving to both Greens and Lib Dems. Harrassing retired female academics for trying to save the trees outside their house is not a good look whichever way you look at it. Lib Dems are generally opposed to the Cabinet system which is one of Tony Blairs centralising ideas.. STV is what is really needed to reinvigorate local government in my view though. Looks like Labour will lose control in a year or two. Do you think the Greens and Lib Dems are friendly enough to form an administration? I have no idea, but given that they've apparently been working together on the trees issue it seems more likely than not. My impression is also that the Lib Dems and Greens have been trying not to tread on each others toes too much in local campaigning, the Greens going for Walkley and the other Sheffield Central Wards, and the Lib Dems looking for gains in Ecclesfield , Beighton and Mosborough. Green votes were high in the Hallam wards though - if that represents actual campaigning (which it may not - just general disgust with Labour over trees and Brexit could do it, and the Lib Dems were in no danger in any of them this May) it is likely to prevent any arrangement
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