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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Aug 28, 2019 19:10:13 GMT
In normal circumstances MPs intending to resign don't do so until the last minute. That's because their staff are personally employed, so get dismissed automatically when someone stops being an MP - which might have some impact on how their constituency office operates. However that might not apply in the same way in this case.
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Post by timmullen1 on Aug 28, 2019 19:34:09 GMT
In normal circumstances MPs intending to resign don't do so until the last minute. That's because their staff are personally employed, so get dismissed automatically when someone stops being an MP - which might have some impact on how their constituency office operates. However that might not apply in the same way in this case. Loathe as I am to question you, but I thought the staff remained until a successor was elected; I was sure Phil Burton-Cartlidge continued in Tristram Hunt’s office until Gareth Snell was elected? |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Aug 28, 2019 20:02:01 GMT
In normal circumstances MPs intending to resign don't do so until the last minute. That's because their staff are personally employed, so get dismissed automatically when someone stops being an MP - which might have some impact on how their constituency office operates. However that might not apply in the same way in this case. Loathe as I am to question you, but I thought the staff remained until a successor was elected; I was sure Phil Burton-Cartlidge continued in Tristram Hunt’s office until Gareth Snell was elected? It seems the situation has slightly relaxed. See www.w4mp.org/library/researchguides/your-employment-status/redundancy/ sub "Redundancy by Misadventure". In brief, if an MP resigns, the constituency office is funded under the Winding Up allowance and employees get redundancy pay under the terms of their contracts. So that might allow the office to stay open during a byelection period. |
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Post by Khunanup on Aug 28, 2019 22:49:46 GMT
I quite like the Chiltern Hundreds business. A quaint way of allowing someone to give up representing their constituents, with the legal fiction of being prevented from doing so. Totally harmless. And also a good reminder of the turbulent history of separation of Crown and Parliament. Just give them a front line job in a random Jobcentre with a stipulation that they work there for three weeks. As a former owner of an office of profit under the crown similar to that, that would a) guarantee no-one would ever resign from parliament and b) could be a catalyst to promulgate a proper constitution. |
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Post by Defenestrated Fipplebox on Sept 2, 2019 20:37:24 GMT
The Green Party Candidate is Natalie Thomas if by election called and goes ahead. |
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Post by MeirionGwril on Sept 3, 2019 10:40:22 GMT
Load of voncers ....!!
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Post by carolus on Sept 3, 2019 16:38:35 GMT
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Post by curiousliberal on Sept 3, 2019 16:41:25 GMT
In before he votes with the government to keep this parliament going. |
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Post by timmullen1 on Sept 3, 2019 17:04:57 GMT
In before he votes with the government to keep this parliament going. Although he’s not voted since April. If I were being cynical is the severance package more generous to a retiring Member than to one who resigns, so he’s actually hanging on in the hope Boris calls a GE in the next few days? |
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Sept 3, 2019 17:13:36 GMT
In before he votes with the government to keep this parliament going. Although he’s not voted since April. If I were being cynical is the severance package more generous to a retiring Member than to one who resigns, so he’s actually hanging on in the hope Boris calls a GE in the next few days? There’s no longer a severance package to those who stand down at a GE, only those defeated. He *might* qualify for a severance package if he leaves on health grounds though - I genuinely don’t know. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Sept 3, 2019 17:14:42 GMT
O'Mara has managed to trigger a flurry of by-election activity both here and in real life. And now he's pulling it away again.
He's basically giving it the Godfather III/Andreotti and showing that power grinds down those who do not have it!
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Post by finsobruce on Sept 3, 2019 17:19:12 GMT
Although he’s not voted since April. If I were being cynical is the severance package more generous to a retiring Member than to one who resigns, so he’s actually hanging on in the hope Boris calls a GE in the next few days? There’s no longer a severance package to those who stand down at a GE, only those defeated. If he tried to stand again as an Indy just to get defeated, finding the requisite number of signatures would probably be quite an exercise. |
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Post by andrew111 on Sept 3, 2019 17:19:54 GMT
In before he votes with the government to keep this parliament going. Although he’s not voted since April. If I were being cynical is the severance package more generous to a retiring Member than to one who resigns, so he’s actually hanging on in the hope Boris calls a GE in the next few days? I think being cynical is not proscribed on this forum, so go ahead! |
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Post by andrew111 on Sept 3, 2019 17:23:26 GMT
There’s no longer a severance package to those who stand down at a GE, only those defeated. If he tried to stand again as an Indy just to get defeated, finding the requisite number of signatures would probably be quite an exercise. Surely the Labour members signed his nomination papers in 2017 will not be regretting it? |
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Post by andrew111 on Sept 3, 2019 17:25:59 GMT
Although he’s not voted since April. If I were being cynical is the severance package more generous to a retiring Member than to one who resigns, so he’s actually hanging on in the hope Boris calls a GE in the next few days? There’s no longer a severance package to those who stand down at a GE, only those defeated. He *might* qualify for a severance package if he leaves on health grounds though - I genuinely don’t know. If Parliament is dissolved and he simply does not submit nomination papers, how long does he continue being paid? I would have thought that given an election is not scheduled until 2022, he could test the courts with a constructive dismissal case.. |
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Post by finsobruce on Sept 3, 2019 17:26:02 GMT
If he tried to stand again as an Indy just to get defeated, finding the requisite number of signatures would probably be quite an exercise. Surely the Labour members signed his nomination papers in 2017 will not be regretting it? I would so love it if he announced his defection to the Lib Dems.  If only for a couple of days.
He won't be the Labour candidate so they can regret all they like.
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Post by finsobruce on Sept 3, 2019 17:27:35 GMT
Although he’s not voted since April. If I were being cynical is the severance package more generous to a retiring Member than to one who resigns, so he’s actually hanging on in the hope Boris calls a GE in the next few days? I think being cynical is not proscribed on this forum, so go ahead! It's like , you know, in our DNA. |
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Post by Chris from Brum on Sept 3, 2019 17:27:56 GMT
Surely the Labour members signed his nomination papers in 2017 will not be regretting it? I would so love it if he announced his defection to the Lib Dems. If only for a couple of days.
He won't be the Labour candidate so they can regret all they like.
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Sept 3, 2019 17:28:57 GMT
There’s no longer a severance package to those who stand down at a GE, only those defeated. He *might* qualify for a severance package if he leaves on health grounds though - I genuinely don’t know. If Parliament is dissolved and he simply does not submit nomination papers, how long does he continue being paid? I would assume Election Day? I don’t see why the HoC finance office should know about the nomination forms with Sheffield Council? |
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Post by finsobruce on Sept 3, 2019 17:30:14 GMT
I would so love it if he announced his defection to the Lib Dems. If only for a couple of days.
He won't be the Labour candidate so they can regret all they like.
Why limit it to that, he could change parties daily. 🤣 I wouldn't put it past him. |
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If only for a couple of days. 