Austrian federal election 2019

[greenhert]

Jul 3, 2019 7:34:06 GMT Devil Wincarnate said:

I've never heard of some of those people, but some sound like they are made-up Austrians from a book, or members of the parliament of Ruritania.

Peter Pilz is the former leader of the Pilz list, a splinter from the Austrian Greens; this list is now named Jetzt.

Pamela Rendi-Wagner is the new SPO leader and their Kanzlerkandidaten (candidate for Chancellor)

Brigitte Bierlein is the new Chancellor of Austria, temporarily appointed by current President Alexander van der Bellen. Her lack of party affiliation is the primary reason behind her current high approval rating. Clemens Jabloner is the current Vice-Chancellor, who also has no party affiliation (he is a law lecturer, and Fraulein Bierlein is a former prosecutor).

Werner Kogler is the new leader of the Austrian Greens.

[Devil Wincarnate]

Jul 3, 2019 13:40:24 GMT greenhert said:

Jul 3, 2019 7:34:06 GMT Devil Wincarnate said:

I've never heard of some of those people, but some sound like they are made-up Austrians from a book, or members of the parliament of Ruritania.

Peter Pilz is the former leader of the Pilz list, a splinter from the Austrian Greens; this list is now named Jetzt.

Pamela Rendi-Wagner is the new SPO leader and their Kanzlerkandidaten (candidate for Chancellor)

Brigitte Bierlein is the new Chancellor of Austria, temporarily appointed by current President Alexander van der Bellen. Her lack of party affiliation is the primary reason behind her current high approval rating. Clemens Jabloner is the current Vice-Chancellor, who also has no party affiliation (he is a law lecturer, and Fraulein Bierlein is a former prosecutor).

Werner Kogler is the new leader of the Austrian Greens.

I know them, it was more the likes of Annaliese Kitzmüller and Norbert Kickl that made my grin.

[Georg Ebner]

Jul 3, 2019 13:40:24 GMT greenhert said:

Jul 3, 2019 7:34:06 GMT Devil Wincarnate said:

I've never heard of some of those people, but some sound like they are made-up Austrians from a book, or members of the parliament of Ruritania.

Peter Pilz is the former leader of the Pilz list, a splinter from the Austrian Greens; this list is now named Jetzt.

Pamela Rendi-Wagner is the new SPO leader and their Kanzlerkandidaten (candidate for Chancellor)

Brigitte Bierlein is the new Chancellor of Austria, temporarily appointed by current President Alexander van der Bellen. Her lack of party affiliation is the primary reason behind her current high approval rating. Clemens Jabloner is the current Vice-Chancellor, who also has no party affiliation (he is a law lecturer, and Fraulein Bierlein is a former prosecutor).

Werner Kogler is the new leader of the Austrian Greens.

Hahaha - highranking judges are in Austria (nearly) never independent: Bierlein was sent into the SupremeCourt by ÖVP, Jabloner is clearly close to SPÖ.
All ministers are either from ÖVP or SPÖ, the TrafficMinister is from FPÖ, the DefenceMinister an aide of the president (GREENS), only the HomeMinister is really an Independent.

[Georg Ebner]

Jul 3, 2019 14:06:52 GMT Devil Wincarnate said:

Jul 3, 2019 13:40:24 GMT greenhert said:

Peter Pilz is the former leader of the Pilz list, a splinter from the Austrian Greens; this list is now named Jetzt.

Pamela Rendi-Wagner is the new SPO leader and their Kanzlerkandidaten (candidate for Chancellor)

Brigitte Bierlein is the new Chancellor of Austria, temporarily appointed by current President Alexander van der Bellen. Her lack of party affiliation is the primary reason behind her current high approval rating. Clemens Jabloner is the current Vice-Chancellor, who also has no party affiliation (he is a law lecturer, and Fraulein Bierlein is a former prosecutor).

Werner Kogler is the new leader of the Austrian Greens.

I know them, it was more the likes of Annaliese Kitzmüller and Norbert Kickl that made my grin.

Mrs.Kitzmüller was - she will retire - the Third Speaker and one of the main people in the 2017-CoalitionNegotiations (mainly caused by the fact, that FPÖ-UpperA. is traditionally the most numerous branch and didn't get a minister).

[Georg Ebner]

Jul 3, 2019 14:06:52 GMT Devil Wincarnate said:

Jul 3, 2019 13:40:24 GMT greenhert said:

Peter Pilz is the former leader of the Pilz list, a splinter from the Austrian Greens; this list is now named Jetzt.

Pamela Rendi-Wagner is the new SPO leader and their Kanzlerkandidaten (candidate for Chancellor)

Brigitte Bierlein is the new Chancellor of Austria, temporarily appointed by current President Alexander van der Bellen. Her lack of party affiliation is the primary reason behind her current high approval rating. Clemens Jabloner is the current Vice-Chancellor, who also has no party affiliation (he is a law lecturer, and Fraulein Bierlein is a former prosecutor).

Werner Kogler is the new leader of the Austrian Greens.

I know them, it was more the likes of Annaliese Kitzmüller and Norbert Kickl that made my grin.

Herbert Kickl should be known by us: Everywhere else he would have become a left "intellectual" - but not in Austria: He had been FPÖ-PartySecretary for a long time and had led the campaigns ("Strache's brain"); therefore he has been honoured with the HomeMinistry: Attacked by the media and disliked by moderates, but liked by FPÖ's HardCore.

[Foggy]

Jul 3, 2019 7:34:06 GMT Devil Wincarnate said:

I've never heard of some of those people, but some sound like they are made-up Austrians from a book, or members of the parliament of Ruritania.

Even Germans often think Austrian names look strange. 

[Georg Ebner]

Jul 4, 2019 0:41:57 GMT Foggy said:

Jul 3, 2019 7:34:06 GMT Devil Wincarnate said:

I've never heard of some of those people, but some sound like they are made-up Austrians from a book, or members of the parliament of Ruritania.

Even Germans often think Austrian names look strange. 

I have never heard that.
Many names don't differ with SouthGermany (or at least Bavaria). EastAustria has lots of slavic names (older ones germanized), of course.
Those names listed are indeed partly very unusual in Austria: Kurz, Wagner, Hofer, Kogler, Pilz are normal, (famous) Meinl and Rasinger, Wöginger, Kitzmüller are rarer; v.d.Bellen, Bierlein, Kickl, Sobotka, Strache, Jabloner, Bures are untypical.

[Devil Wincarnate]

Jul 4, 2019 8:58:19 GMT Georg Ebner said:

Jul 4, 2019 0:41:57 GMT Foggy said:

Even Germans often think Austrian names look strange. 

I have never heard that.
Many names don't differ with SouthGermany (or at least Bavaria). EastAustria has lots of slavic names (older ones germanized), of course.
Those names listed are indeed partly very unusual in Austria: Kurz, Wagner, Hofer, Kogler, Pilz are normal, (famous) Meinl and Rasinger, Wöginger, Kitzmüller are rarer; v.d.Bellen, Bierlein, Kickl, Sobotka, Strache, Jabloner, Bures are untypical.

I have to agree with Foggy, I have heard Germans making jokes about Austrian names as well.

Reminds me of a possibly apocryphal anecdotes about De Gaulle during the Algerian Crisis.  Asked what they should do to help their fellow Frenchmen, he allegedly said "Frenchmen?  All these Hernandez and Fernandez?"

[Foggy]

Jul 4, 2019 20:42:52 GMT Devil Wincarnate said:

Jul 4, 2019 8:58:19 GMT Georg Ebner said:

I have never heard that.
Many names don't differ with SouthGermany (or at least Bavaria). EastAustria has lots of slavic names (older ones germanized), of course.
Those names listed are indeed partly very unusual in Austria: Kurz, Wagner, Hofer, Kogler, Pilz are normal, (famous) Meinl and Rasinger, Wöginger, Kitzmüller are rarer; v.d.Bellen, Bierlein, Kickl, Sobotka, Strache, Jabloner, Bures are untypical.

I have to agree with Foggy , I have heard Germans making jokes about Austrian names as well.

Reminds me of a possibly apocryphal anecdotes about De Gaulle during the Algerian Crisis.  Asked what they should do to help their fellow Frenchmen, he allegedly said "Frenchmen?  All these Hernandez and Fernandez?"

I think I can vaguely recall end-of-year stand-up routines on German TV addressing that subject from both German and Austrian comedians. The other example from personal experience is when a Saxon (with a Germanized Slavic surname) remarked to me that the maiden/professional name of then-leader of the Austrian Greens – Glawischnig – sounded weird. But Georg is also correct to say that nobody would bat an eyelid at the likes of Kurz, Wagner, Hofer, Kogler and Pilz.

One wonders what De Gaulle would've made of a PM of France called Valls, a mayor of Paris named Hidalgo and a President with a Hungarian surname! 

[Devil Wincarnate]

De Gaulle himself was De Gaulle and not de Gaulle,because the de was not aristocratic but Flemish!

[J.G.Harston]

Jul 4, 2019 22:46:23 GMT Foggy said:

Jul 4, 2019 20:42:52 GMT Devil Wincarnate said:

I have to agree with Foggy , I have heard Germans making jokes about Austrian names as well.

Reminds me of a possibly apocryphal anecdotes about De Gaulle during the Algerian Crisis.  Asked what they should do to help their fellow Frenchmen, he allegedly said "Frenchmen?  All these Hernandez and Fernandez?"

I think I can vaguely recall end-of-year stand-up routines on German TV addressing that subject from both German and Austrian comedians. The other example from personal experience is when a Saxon (with a Germanized Slavic surname) remarked to me that the maiden/professional name of then-leader of the Austrian Greens – Glawischnig – sounded weird. But Georg is also correct to say that nobody would bat an eyelid at the likes of Kurz, Wagner, Hofer, Kogler and Pilz.

One wonders what De Gaulle would've made of a PM of France called Valls, a mayor of Paris named Hidalgo and a President with a Hungarian surname! 

I think I read somewhere that to North German ears Austrian sounds like a yokel farmer. Oi tell ee, zee eer, moi aksen baint weird.

[Devil Wincarnate]

In fairness, to an Austrian, the North Germans sound like they're speaking bad Dutch.

Nobody beats the Swiss for sounding a bit odd. Although I do like Schwiizertüütsch and can speak it a bit. For a real challenge, Valais German is seriously tough. Elsewhere, Viennese German is difficult, and deep Bavarian can be seriously hard.

[Foggy]

I think we've discussed here before how within Austria, Vorarlbergisch is considered the most impenetrable dialect. (No offence, Georg!)

I got quite used to the Carinthian accent while I was down there, and I wouldn't take much to retune my ears back to Badisch, Saxon, Pfälzisch, Franconian or south Hessian either. Trips to Berlin and Cologne are the closest I've come to visiting 'the north' but neither place really counts as such. The Lower Saxons are meant to speak the best Hochdeutsch, but then if you keep going north again the folk in Schleswig-Holstein sound very different indeed! (Which I know from Tatort, and from a friend who did his uni year abroad on a work placement there.)

[Deleted]

Jul 4, 2019 23:36:56 GMT Foggy said:

I think we've discussed here before how within Austria, Vorarlbergisch is considered the most impenetrable dialect. (No offence, Georg!)

I got quite used to the Carinthian accent while I was down there, and I wouldn't take much to retune my ears back to Badisch, Saxon, Pfälzisch, Franconian or south Hessian either. Trips to Berlin and Cologne are the closest I've come to visiting 'the north' but neither place really counts as such. The Lower Saxons are meant to speak the best Hochdeutsch, but then if you keep going north again the folk in Schleswig-Holstein sound very different indeed! (Which I know from Tatort, and from a friend who did his uni year abroad on a work placement there.)

The dialect of Vorarlberg is part of the Alemannic family, while the remainder of Austria speaks Bavarian dialects.

[Devil Wincarnate]

I have been told that the German we learn at school in terms of spoken language is Hanover-Mundart.

I went to Flensburg once. Totally impenetrable accent. Low German with the sounds of Danish- hardcore.

[Georg Ebner]

Jul 4, 2019 23:20:48 GMT J.G.Harston said:

Jul 4, 2019 22:46:23 GMT Foggy said:

I think I can vaguely recall end-of-year stand-up routines on German TV addressing that subject from both German and Austrian comedians. The other example from personal experience is when a Saxon (with a Germanized Slavic surname) remarked to me that the maiden/professional name of then-leader of the Austrian Greens – Glawischnig – sounded weird. But Georg is also correct to say that nobody would bat an eyelid at the likes of Kurz, Wagner, Hofer, Kogler and Pilz.

One wonders what De Gaulle would've made of a PM of France called Valls, a mayor of Paris named Hidalgo and a President with a Hungarian surname! 

I think I read somewhere that to North German ears Austrian sounds like a yokel farmer. Oi tell ee, zee eer, moi aksen baint weird.

Only rural Austrians and not more than farmers/proles from certain (other) parts of Germany like Bavaria/WestPhalia/SchwarzWald; not - for example - bourgeois Viennese, who are rather perceived abroad as "charmant"/characterless.

[Georg Ebner]

Jul 5, 2019 8:01:13 GMT Devil Wincarnate said:

I have been told that the German we learn at school in terms of spoken language is Hanover-Mundart.

Yes, this is generally taught and should be correct. (Although that region hasn't breed out many great Dichter&Denker [poets&thinkers].)

[Deleted]

Jul 5, 2019 19:00:58 GMT Georg Ebner said:

Jul 4, 2019 23:20:48 GMT J.G.Harston said:

I think I read somewhere that to North German ears Austrian sounds like a yokel farmer. Oi tell ee, zee eer, moi aksen baint weird.

Only rural Austrians and not more than farmers/proles from certain (other) parts of Germany like Bavaria/WestPhalia/SchwarzWald; not - for example - bourgeois Viennese, who are rather perceived abroad as "charmant"/characterless.

We spent Monday in Graz. My command of German is limited, but the local people seemed to be speaking essentially standard German, but with a much stronger sing-song accent than Vienna.

[john07]

An Austrian joke is no laughing matter.

[Georg Ebner]

Jul 5, 2019 19:49:36 GMT @goodoldcause2 said:

Jul 5, 2019 19:00:58 GMT Georg Ebner said:

Only rural Austrians and not more than farmers/proles from certain (other) parts of Germany like Bavaria/WestPhalia/SchwarzWald; not - for example - bourgeois Viennese, who are rather perceived abroad as "charmant"/characterless.

We spent Monday in Graz. My command of German is limited, but the local people seemed to be speaking essentially standard German, but with a much stronger sing-song accent than Vienna.

Though EastStyria - which can be recommended with its lovely small baroque towns in hilly landscape - is infamous for its dialect (reminding me of UpperPalatine): "Hey, EastStyrian - here's a dog!" "Wou, wou, wou?"