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Post by gwynthegriff on Apr 23, 2019 17:51:26 GMT
Not for Radnorshire. Not for Radnorshire. Speaking Welsh in Radnorshire was once memorably described as comparable to being gay in the 80s. Tolerated. Between consenting adults. In private.  Is this a place where they would happily dump Welsh-language road signs, if they were allowed to? Doubt it. Bilingual signs are pretty widely accepted these days, even in Radnorshire. And, of course, it's the sort of area where - in theory at least - the proportion of people with a knowledge of Welsh is actually increasing. |
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Post by iainbhx on Apr 23, 2019 18:06:09 GMT
Won't they require it to be translated into Welsh first? Not for Radnorshire. Not for Radnorshire. Speaking Welsh in Radnorshire was once memorably described as comparable to being gay in the 80s. Tolerated. Between consenting adults. In private. People got on the train today at Newtown and got off at Caersws and were speaking Welsh to each other. I must admit I was slightly surprised. Yes, I had a day trip to Aberystwyth today. |
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Post by John Chanin on Apr 23, 2019 18:29:34 GMT
I hope the recall petition succeeds. Chris Davies' sentence was what I consider "unduly lenient" given the seriousness of his offence. Frankly it wasn't a serious offence. No money was claimed that wasn't due. It looks like the Conservatives aren't going to dump him. Given current political preoccupations it's by no means sure that the 10% will be reached. |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Apr 23, 2019 18:46:41 GMT
Not for Radnorshire. Not for Radnorshire. Speaking Welsh in Radnorshire was once memorably described as comparable to being gay in the 80s. Tolerated. Between consenting adults. In private. People got on the train today at Newtown and got off at Caersws and were speaking Welsh to each other. I must admit I was slightly surprised. Yes, I had a day trip to Aberystwyth today. Yes, but they're both in Montgomeryshire. Which is very different from Radnorshire. And has been for a very long time. As long ago as 1891 Montgomeryshire was 50.4% Welsh-speaking (25.6% monoglot); Radnorshire was 6.2% Welsh-speaking (0.5% monoglot). |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Apr 23, 2019 18:47:58 GMT
I hope the recall petition succeeds. Chris Davies' sentence was what I consider "unduly lenient" given the seriousness of his offence. Frankly it wasn't a serious offence. No money was claimed that wasn't due. It looks like the Conservatives aren't going to dump him. Given current political preoccupations it's by no means sure that the 10% will be reached. I certainly place it at the lower end of misdemeanour. |
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Post by neilm on Apr 23, 2019 19:06:35 GMT
I hope the recall petition succeeds. Chris Davies' sentence was what I consider "unduly lenient" given the seriousness of his offence. Why so? Because he's an MP and thus held to a higher standard, or because you view invoice fiddling as serious regardless of the value or whether there was personal gain, or because you view sentences as light generally because you can't contemplate a criminal act yourself or some other reason? |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Apr 23, 2019 20:45:47 GMT
I hope the recall petition succeeds. Chris Davies' sentence was what I consider "unduly lenient" given the seriousness of his offence. Why so? Because he's an MP and thus held to a higher standard, or because you view invoice fiddling as serious regardless of the value or whether there was personal gain, or because you view sentences as light generally because you can't contemplate a criminal act yourself or some other reason? I am in favour of a recall, but I can't agree that this is "unduly lenient". A first-time offender, unlikely to be dangeous, pleads guilty. To an offence and of a value that thousands of people won't see the inside of a cell for, and don't. It just reminds me of that lass who stabbed her boyfriend and was let off chokey due to "potential". Davies like Onasanya are hardly a threat to anyone. |
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Post by MeirionGwril on Apr 24, 2019 7:21:02 GMT
Tell you what, if you thought that recall petitions were going to just gather dust from lack of use.... Is this a first two recall petitions at the same time?
Err.... yes, there's only been one previously... |
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Apr 24, 2019 12:38:52 GMT
Bercow has just formally announced the recall petition.
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Post by MeirionGwril on Apr 24, 2019 16:49:24 GMT
Does Kirsty have a sibling...? |
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Post by curiousliberal on Apr 25, 2019 9:55:50 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-48038005But the MP was defended by his constituency chairman Peter Weavers, who said the Brecon and Radnorshire consistency association "was 100% supportive of Chris"."He's immediately accepted that he's made an error," said. "He's been caught by a piece of law which is arcane.""I think the nature of the sentence, the modest sentence, reflects the nature of the case."
He added: "We've had dozens and dozens of calls and comments commending him for what he has done over the four years that he's been an MP.
"We want good MPs that fight for Brecon and Radnorshire - I would be urging him to stay on the ballot."
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Apr 25, 2019 10:00:03 GMT
Arcane? The law was passed in 2009, and it ought to have been obvious that creating a false invoice was dodgy.
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Post by polaris on Apr 25, 2019 12:22:18 GMT
Bercow has just formally announced the recall petition. I wonder if it will be successful?
In Peterborough, the MP has actually done prison time, but there doesn't seem to be much prospect of a by-election.
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Post by curiousliberal on Apr 25, 2019 12:47:16 GMT
Bercow has just formally announced the recall petition. I wonder if it will be successful?
In Peterborough, the MP has actually done prison time, but there doesn't seem to be much prospect of a by-election.
Says who? Iain Paisley, of the famously switched on and definitely marginal North Antrim, almost had one, and that was when four times fewer polling stations were operating. |
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Post by liverpoolliberal on Apr 25, 2019 17:11:22 GMT
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Post by mrpastelito on Apr 25, 2019 17:13:30 GMT
6 polling stations, 5303 needed to trigger a by-election. You would hope we have the resources to make that happen.
Setting up another 5297 polling stations looks like a tall order though  |
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Post by liverpoolliberal on Apr 25, 2019 17:17:45 GMT
6 polling stations, 5303 needed to trigger a by-election. You would hope we have the resources to make that happen.
Setting up another 5297 polling stations looks like a tall order though I reckon there are enough villages in the constituency to give that a good go, caravans have been used polling stations before! |
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Apr 25, 2019 17:27:28 GMT
These locations will be open for signing:
Monday, 9am to 5pm (except spring bank holiday Monday)
Tuesday, 8am to 5pm
Wednesday, 9am to 8pm
Thursday, 9am to 5pm
Friday, 9am to 5pm
Not helpful, compared to Peterborough, but not impossible
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Post by mboy on Apr 25, 2019 18:14:42 GMT
So only during work hours except Wednesday evening? That's shit.
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Post by BucksDucks on Apr 25, 2019 18:16:19 GMT
Over 21,000 people voted for someone other than Chris Davies in 2017, it's going to be difficult but hopefully enough of them will sign the petition.
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