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Post by timrollpickering on Mar 29, 2019 13:05:24 GMT
I don't suppose there is an absolutely direct connection, but things seem to have gone awfully quiet since his election. It's leadership by the 'invisible man'. The choice between Leonard and Sawar was pretty dire. Given the way that Kezia Dugdale was treated has probably put many off from standing. Not that there was a great pool of talent there to start with. I have to be honest, I have at times struggled to remember who Labour's leader in Scotland actually is. |
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Post by finsobruce on Mar 29, 2019 13:08:36 GMT
(as with presumably all in Scotland) I think there are some all independent fests in the islands. Independents? or Independent independents?  |
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Post by afleitch on Mar 29, 2019 13:38:20 GMT
The Labour Party in Scotland is an alliance of Corbynite rUK students, old-habits-die-hard pensioners, the richest people in Edinburgh and Orangemen. It's not really a party anymore in the traditional sense. It's been left behind by constitutional and community realignment.
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Post by timrollpickering on Mar 29, 2019 13:53:56 GMT
the richest people in Edinburgh I did find it hilarious when Labour's only seat in Scotland was the one containing Fairmilehead. |
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Post by Tony Otim on Mar 29, 2019 15:41:11 GMT
the richest people in Edinburgh I did find it hilarious when Labour's only seat in Scotland was the one containing Fairmilehead. Oh, there are probably a few bits of Edinburgh South that are wealthier than Fairmilehead. They're the bits that are probay still voting Lib Dems 😉 |
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Post by timrollpickering on Mar 29, 2019 15:50:08 GMT
True but my grandparents used to live in Fairmilehead and I've never noticed to be much of a hotbead of either socialism or separatism.
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Post by john07 on Mar 29, 2019 16:17:04 GMT
the richest people in Edinburgh I did find it hilarious when Labour's only seat in Scotland was the one containing Fairmilehead. I don’t think you will find many of the richest people in Edinburgh live in Fairmilehead. Faimilehead contains a lot of rather scruffy Bungalows. The richest areas are probably found in bits of the New Town, Murrayfield, Ravelston Dykes, etc. Edinburgh South does have the likes of Morningside, Marchmont, Merchiston. It also has the likes of Niddrie, Craigmillar and some of the poorest areas in Edinburgh. The Scottish Parliament seat of Edinburgh Southern has the rich areas from Edinburgh South but none of the poorer areas including the Council Estates to the south. It still elected a Labour MSP by a thumping majority. Tactical voting or what? |
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Post by cefin on Mar 29, 2019 16:46:46 GMT
I did find it hilarious when Labour's only seat in Scotland was the one containing Fairmilehead. I don’t think you will find many of the richest people in Edinburgh live in Fairmilehead. Faimilehead contains a lot of rather scruffy Bungalows. The richest areas are probably found in bits of the New Town, Murrayfield, Ravelston Dykes, etc. Edinburgh South does have the likes of Morningside, Marchmont, Merchiston. It also has the likes of Niddrie, Craigmillar and some of the poorest areas in Edinburgh. The Scottish Parliament seat of Edinburgh Southern has the rich areas from Edinburgh South but none of the poorer areas including the Council Estates to the south. It still elected a Labour MSP by a thumping majority. Tactical voting or what? I can certainly vouch for the.... shall we say restrained observation....... of the solid working class credentials of Niddrie, Craigmillar and of course Greendykes, as it used to be my patch as a gas engineer for Scottish Gas. A pint in the Craigmillar Castle Tavern certainly sorted out the men from the boys. |
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Post by finsobruce on Mar 29, 2019 17:20:10 GMT
I don’t think you will find many of the richest people in Edinburgh live in Fairmilehead. Faimilehead contains a lot of rather scruffy Bungalows. The richest areas are probably found in bits of the New Town, Murrayfield, Ravelston Dykes, etc. Edinburgh South does have the likes of Morningside, Marchmont, Merchiston. It also has the likes of Niddrie, Craigmillar and some of the poorest areas in Edinburgh. The Scottish Parliament seat of Edinburgh Southern has the rich areas from Edinburgh South but none of the poorer areas including the Council Estates to the south. It still elected a Labour MSP by a thumping majority. Tactical voting or what? I can certainly vouch for the.... shall we say restrained observation....... of the solid working class credentials of Niddrie, Craigmillar and of course Greendykes, as it used to be my patch as a gas engineer for Scottish Gas. A pint in the Craigmillar Castle Tavern certainly sorted out the men from the boys. Now closed, you'll be surprised to learn....
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Post by Tony Otim on Mar 29, 2019 18:18:17 GMT
Craigmillar and Niddrie are in Edinburgh East.
The poorest areas of Edinburgh South are Gracemount, Burdiehouse, Moredun and the Inch.
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Post by Tony Otim on Mar 29, 2019 18:22:19 GMT
I did find it hilarious when Labour's only seat in Scotland was the one containing Fairmilehead. I don’t think you will find many of the richest people in Edinburgh live in Fairmilehead. Faimilehead contains a lot of rather scruffy Bungalows. The richest areas are probably found in bits of the New Town, Murrayfield, Ravelston Dykes, etc. Edinburgh South does have the likes of Morningside, Marchmont, Merchiston. It also has the likes of Niddrie, Craigmillar and some of the poorest areas in Edinburgh. The Scottish Parliament seat of Edinburgh Southern has the rich areas from Edinburgh South but none of the poorer areas including the Council Estates to the south. It still elected a Labour MSP by a thumping majority. Tactical voting or what? I think you're rather harsh on Fairmilehead - there are some really nice big houses along the main roads and some good quality newer housing back from them. Still nothing compared to some of the mansions in the Grange. At one point Blackhall had the second highest density of millionaires in the UK. |
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Post by carlton43 on Mar 29, 2019 21:48:21 GMT
CLACKMANNANSHIRE Clackmannanshire Central Candidate Party I II III IV V VI
Jane McTaggart SNP 865 + 7 872 + 16 888 + 14 902 + 31 933 +233 1166
Margaret Brookes Lab 675 + 9 684 + 12 696 + 6 702 +112 814 -814 -
William Marlin C 419 + 4 423 + 10 433 + 14 447 -447 - -
Dawson Michie UKIP 69 + 1 70 + 4 74 - 74 - - -
Marion Robertson SGP 53 + 7 60 - 60 - - - -
John Shier Biggam L Dem 36 - 36 - - - - -
Not transferrable + 8 8 + 18 26 + 40 66 +304 370 +581 951 Only a quarter of the Conservatives prepared to hold nose and transfer to Labour. It is still 25% too many. |
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Post by cefin on Mar 29, 2019 23:05:08 GMT
I can certainly vouch for the.... shall we say restrained observation....... of the solid working class credentials of Niddrie, Craigmillar and of course Greendykes, as it used to be my patch as a gas engineer for Scottish Gas. A pint in the Craigmillar Castle Tavern certainly sorted out the men from the boys. Now closed, you'll be surprised to learn....
Yup not that surprised. I remember my introduction to a swift pint in the Castle after being invited in by a couple of the local greyhound boys who I used to race my dugs with at Wallyford and Powderhall. I found myself sitting on a long seat with the vinyl ripped and a big bucket sized hole in the stuffing underneath which resulted in me basically sitting on the piece of hardboard underneath where the foam stuffing should have been. It was all rather surreal sitting on a sunken piece of hardboard while everyone else towered above me as I was essentially sitting in a hole. The shop next door was something special as well. It was the first one ( and to be honest still the only one) that I had ever seen in Britain that the staff were fully protected by being behind metal cage sheets all round the counters and you had to ask them to hand over the goods after pushing the money through the gap in the caging. Thankfully my more usual drinking venues were the slightly more sophisticated Newcraighall and Danderhall miners clubs when I lived in the two villages on the outskirts of Edinburgh before going upmarket and frequenting the Tilted Wig next door to my flat in Cumberland street in the Newtown. Good days to be fair I had a blast. |
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Post by middleenglander on Mar 29, 2019 23:30:17 GMT
Clackmannanshire, Clackmannan Central - SNP hold - based on first preferences | Party | 2019 votes | 2019 share | since 2017 | | since 2012 * | since 2007 * | SNP | 865 | 40.9% | +2.6% |
| -3.3% | +4.2% | Labour | 675 | 31.9% | -8.0% |
| -17.2% | -25.3% | Conservative | 419 | 19.8% | +3.2% |
| +16.7% | +13.7% | UKIP | 69 | 3.3% | from nowhere |
| from nowhere | from nowhere | Green | 53 | 2.5% | -2.7% |
| from nowhere | from nowhere | Liberal Democrat | 36 | 1.7% | from nowhere |
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* minor boundary changes Swing Labour to SNP ~ 5¼% since 2017, 7% since 2012 and 10½% since 2007 Council now 8 SNP, 5 Labour, 4 Conservative4, 1 Independent Sutton, Wallington North - Liberal Democrat hold | Party | 2019 votes | 2019 share | since 2018 "top" | since 2018 "average" | since 2014 "top" | since 2014 "average" | | Liberal Democrat | 1,039 | 38.2% | -7.7% | -8.7% | +4.4% | +3.1% | Conservative | 709 | 26.1% | +0.5% | +0.0% | +0.5% | +2.5% | Independent | 381 | 14.0% | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | Labour | 301 | 11.1% | -5.6% | -5.2% | -0.6% | -0.8% | Green | 166 | 6.1% | -2.3% | -1.7% | -2.4% | -1.3% | UKIP | 104 | 3.8% | +0.5% | +0.9% | -16.6% | -18.2% | Christian People | 17 | 0.6% | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | Total Vote | 2,717 |
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Swing Liberal Democrat to Conservative ~4% / 4¼% since 2018 but Conservative to Liberal Democrat ~ 2% / ¼% since 2014 Council now 33 Liberal Democrat, 18 Conservative, 3 Independent
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Post by The Bishop on Mar 30, 2019 10:39:14 GMT
Not unexpected given the rubbish leadership we have in Scotland. I don't suppose there is an absolutely direct connection, but things seem to have gone awfully quiet since his election. Truth is that the job is likely Neil Findlay's if he wants it, and has been for a while now. (which maybe raises the question of why he doesn't seem that keen) |
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Apr 2, 2019 6:53:36 GMT
I travelled through the Wallington North ward today en route to the Hope for their beer festival. Very little activity evident. I saw exactly one window poster (Green) and one activist on the ground (a young, earnest looking LibDem). Presumably a comfortable LD hold that nobody else is unduly bothered with. What time were you in the Hope? |
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Post by sirbenjamin on Apr 2, 2019 7:13:30 GMT
I travelled through the Wallington North ward today en route to the Hope for their beer festival. Very little activity evident. I saw exactly one window poster (Green) and one activist on the ground (a young, earnest looking LibDem). Presumably a comfortable LD hold that nobody else is unduly bothered with. What time were you in the Hope? From about 1:30 through to 7ish on Thursday. First time I'd been there thus year. |
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Apr 2, 2019 8:02:20 GMT
What time were you in the Hope? From about 1:30 through to 7ish on Thursday. First time I'd been there thus year. Ah fuck. I was in there from about 15:15 to 18:00 on Thursday (sandwiched by the Craft in Clerkenwell before and the Trafalgar/Sultan combo after). |
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Post by john07 on Apr 2, 2019 8:05:40 GMT
I don't suppose there is an absolutely direct connection, but things seem to have gone awfully quiet since his election. Truth is that the job is likely Neil Findlay's if he wants it, and has been for a while now. (which maybe raises the question of why he doesn't seem that keen) That would certainly finish off my membership. |
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Post by syorkssocialist on Apr 2, 2019 8:39:30 GMT
Truth is that the job is likely Neil Findlay's if he wants it, and has been for a while now. (which maybe raises the question of why he doesn't seem that keen) That would certainly finish off my membership. Who would you rather have as Scottish Labour leader? Its not like we have that much talent at Holyrood, I think the only MSPs I would have full faith in are Pauline McNeill and Monica Lennon. I've also been impressed with Paul Sweeney since he was elected in 2017, but obviously he's got his hands full at Westminster. |
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