Local Council by-elections 14th March

[Sharon]

Feb 25, 2019 22:05:32 GMT Tony Otim said:

CROYDON LBC; Norbury & Pollards Hill (Lab died)
Candidates:
BEN-HASSEL, Leila (Labour)
BURCHETT, Guy Michael Clinton (Liberal Democrat)
CHANCE, Rachel Mary (Green)
GARNER, Kathleen (UKIP)
GUNTER, Tirena Hilary (Conservative)
O’GRADY, Mark James Gerard (Independent)
ROZNERSKA, Margaret (Independent)

2018: Lab 1981, 1934; Con 644, 638; Grn 299, 291

None of the candidates stood here last year. The Green and the Lib Dem both stood in Crystal Palace and Upper Norwood, whilst Roznerska stood for Duma Polska in Thornton Heath. The Conservative candidate stood for the old Norbury ward in 2014.



DURHAM UA; Wingate (Lab died)
Candidates:
FRY, Gareth David Anthony (For Britain)
HIGGINS, John Robert (Labour)
MILES, Stephen Joseph (North East Party)
SIMPSON, Edwin Herbert (Liberal Democrat)

2017: Lab 577; Con 107; NEP 78; LD 21
2013: Lab 538; Ind 256

The North East Party candidate stood here in 2017. The independent in 2013 was Janet Higgins – no idea if she’s related to the Labour candidate...



SOUTHAMPTON UA; Coxford (Ind resigned)
Candidates:
ATKINS, Sue (Socialist Alternative)
CHAPMAN, Sam Philip (Liberal Democrat)
FLETCHER, David John (Integrity Southampton)
GALTON, Diana June (Conservative)
HUMBER, Derek Lascelles (UKIP)
LAMBERT, Ricky (Independent)
RENYARD, Matthew (Labour)
SANDYS, Cara Anne (Green)

2018: Ind 1595; Lab 958; Con 559; LD 103; Grn 101; Ind 82
2016: INd 1317; Lab 924; UKIP 498; Con 396; LD 113; Ind 84; LD 70
2015: Ind 2300; Lab 1330; Con 1196; UKIP 978; LD 215; Grn 209
2014: Ind 1633; UKIP 796; Lab 724; Con 500; LD 168
2012: Lab 1647; Con 667; LD 334; UKIP 295; Grn 75; TUSC 57; Ind 39
2011: Lab 2004; Con 1112; LD 702
2010: Lab 2379; LD 1826; Con 1769; Ind 279
2008: Con 1018; Lab 986; LD 918; UKIP 287
2007: Lab 1219; LD 1162; Con 784; UKIP 201; Grn 128
2006: LD 1229, Lab 1180; Con 620; Grn 273
2004: LD 1110; Lab 1018; UKIP 510; Con 478
2003: LD 1187; Lab 933; Con 361; Lib 245; BNP 197; UKIP 95
2002: LD 1328, 1272, 1185; Lab 1000, 968, 927; Con 398, 377, 352.

The Labour candidate was the runner-up here last year.
The Indy who resigned, Keith Morrell, first stood as Labour candidate in 2008, before taking a seat off the Lib Dems in 2010. He left labour in 2012 and held the seat as an Indy in 2014 and 2018. One of the other indys, Don Thomas, also started in Labour, being Labour candidate in 2002 and 2006, before taking a Lib Dem seat in 2007, holding as Labour in 2011 and as an Indy in 2015. He has indicated he will be standing down this year. The third indy, elected in 2016, is Tammy Thomas, whom I’m guessing may be Don’s wife?

I'm sure Sharon can offer more detail and correct anything I've got wrong...

Apologies for a lack of response until now - I was busy with work... and a by-election 

[andrew111]

Mar 15, 2019 0:28:17 GMT maxque said:

Mar 15, 2019 0:23:34 GMT Davıd Boothroyd said:

SOUTHAMPTON Coxford

RENYARD, Matthew (Labour Party Candidate) 668
GALTON, Diana June (The Conservative Party Candidate) 529
CHAPMAN, Sam Philip (Liberal Democrat) 450
ATKINS, Susan Anne (Socialist Alternative -Putting People First) 368
FLETCHER, David John (Integrity Southampton) 178
MCQUILLAN, Richard Terrence (Independent) 174
HUMBER, Derek Lascelles (UKIP) 123
SANDYS, Cara Anne (Green Party) 53

Lab 26.3% (-1.9)
Con 20.8% (+4.3)
LD 17.7% (+14.7)
SA 14.5%
IS 7.0%
Ind 6.8% (+4.4)
UKIP 4.8%
Grn 2.1% (-0.9)

That moves me to ask what the lowest ever winning % in a council by-election is? (or indeed any election!)

[finsobruce]

Mar 15, 2019 6:33:53 GMT andrew111 said:

Mar 15, 2019 0:28:17 GMT maxque said:

Lab 26.3% (-1.9)
Con 20.8% (+4.3)
LD 17.7% (+14.7)
SA 14.5%
IS 7.0%
Ind 6.8% (+4.4)
UKIP 4.8%
Grn 2.1% (-0.9)

That moves me to ask what the lowest ever winning % in a council by-election is? (or indeed any election!)

Off the top of my head I'm not sure which thread(s) they are on, but this has been discussed, and examples given, several times in the recent past.

Some made this one look like a positive landslide!

[markgoodair]

Mar 15, 2019 6:33:53 GMT andrew111 said:

Mar 15, 2019 0:28:17 GMT maxque said:

Lab 26.3% (-1.9)
Con 20.8% (+4.3)
LD 17.7% (+14.7)
SA 14.5%
IS 7.0%
Ind 6.8% (+4.4)
UKIP 4.8%
Grn 2.1% (-0.9)

That moves me to ask what the lowest ever winning % in a council by-election is? (or indeed any election!)

Just further proof of the undemocratic nature of the First Past the Post system of voting. More reasons why this backwood country needs reform.

[YL]

Mar 15, 2019 6:50:10 GMT finsobruce said:

Mar 15, 2019 6:33:53 GMT andrew111 said:

That moves me to ask what the lowest ever winning % in a council by-election is? (or indeed any election!)

Off the top of my head I'm not sure which thread(s) they are on, but this has been discussed, and examples given, several times in the recent past.

Some made this one look like a positive landslide!

Here's one of the posts:

Feb 25, 2019 7:57:19 GMT andrewp said:

Feb 25, 2019 7:23:08 GMT @barnabymarder said:

Apparently last week a Devizes town council by-election resulted in victory with only 24.7% of the vote in a 5-way split. I'm being asked whether this is some sort of record.

Some crackers in Cornwall in the last couple of elections.

Camborne Treslothan 2013
Lab 178 19.8%
Ukip 171 19%
Ind 151 16.8%
MK 146 16.2%
Con 136 15.1%
LD 61 6.8%
Green 58 6.4% 

Camborne Trelowarren 2017
Con 197 21.5%
Lab 194 21.1%
MK 192 20.9%
Ind 169 18.4%
Ind 126 13.7%
LD 40 4.3%

[carlton43]

Mar 15, 2019 7:42:46 GMT markgoodair said:

Mar 15, 2019 6:33:53 GMT andrew111 said:

That moves me to ask what the lowest ever winning % in a council by-election is? (or indeed any election!)

Just further proof of the undemocratic nature of the First Past the Post system of voting. More reasons why this backwood country needs reform.

No it isn't.  If there had been some form of PR Labour would have won but with a different majority.

[froome]

Mar 15, 2019 8:57:26 GMT carlton43 said:

Mar 15, 2019 7:42:46 GMT markgoodair said:

Just further proof of the undemocratic nature of the First Past the Post system of voting. More reasons why this backwood country needs reform.

No it isn't.  If there had been some form of PR Labour would have won but with a different majority.

Actually neither you, nor I, nor Mark, or anybody else, know what the result might be, but there is no certainty about who might win under any form of PR, as some people will vote differently in knowledge of how their vote can count.

[carlton43]

Mar 15, 2019 9:02:47 GMT froome said:

Mar 15, 2019 8:57:26 GMT carlton43 said:

No it isn't.  If there had been some form of PR Labour would have won but with a different majority.

Actually neither you, nor I, nor Mark, or anybody else, know what the result might be, but there is no certainty about who might win under any form of PR, as some people will vote differently in knowledge of how their vote can count.

Nonsense.  Labour would have won and you know it. This notion that a starry-eyed electorate would go all of a dither over the excitement of having PR and vote completely differently is utter tosh.

[finsobruce]

Mar 15, 2019 9:18:35 GMT carlton43 said:

Mar 15, 2019 9:02:47 GMT froome said:

Actually neither you, nor I, nor Mark, or anybody else, know what the result might be, but there is no certainty about who might win under any form of PR, as some people will vote differently in knowledge of how their vote can count.

Nonsense.  Labour would have won and you know it. This notion that a starry-eyed electorate would go all of a dither over the excitement of having PR and vote completely differently is utter tosh.

It would certainly change things here and there, but any big changes would probably take a while to work through. It would also depend on the form of PR of course (let's not get into that debate again )

[Tony Otim]

Given this is a one seat vacancy we're talking about, I'm not sure PR comes into it anyway...

[markgoodair]

Mar 15, 2019 9:18:35 GMT carlton43 said:

Mar 15, 2019 9:02:47 GMT froome said:

Actually neither you, nor I, nor Mark, or anybody else, know what the result might be, but there is no certainty about who might win under any form of PR, as some people will vote differently in knowledge of how their vote can count.

Nonsense.  Labour would have won and you know it. This notion that a starry-eyed electorate would go all of a dither over the excitement of having PR and vote completely differently is utter tosh.

This from a man who's previous party only made any significance to British politics due to the fact that they had MEP's elected using PR. Or has that irony not sunk in?

[andrew111]

Mar 15, 2019 9:55:43 GMT Tony Otim said:

Given this is a one seat vacancy we're talking about, I'm not sure PR comes into it anyway...

If this had been a Scottish local election it would have been held under AV (which is not PR of course) with at least a reasonable chance that someone other than Labour would have won. However transfers from the Socialists would likely have seen them home..

[carlton43]

Mar 15, 2019 10:02:45 GMT markgoodair said:

Mar 15, 2019 9:18:35 GMT carlton43 said:

Nonsense.  Labour would have won and you know it. This notion that a starry-eyed electorate would go all of a dither over the excitement of having PR and vote completely differently is utter tosh.

This from a man who's previous party only made any significance to British politics due to the fact that they had MEP's elected using PR. Or has that irony not sunk in?

Morning Mark.  Have a really nice day.

Yes, for a short time I was in UKIP for a purpose. Never held office, stood for election, and there is no irony to be detected at all. The hated EU Elections to the hated EU pseudo-parliament are conducted by PR at the diktat of the hated EU and there is no irony in that at all as you well know.

Calm down dear!

[andrew111]

Mar 15, 2019 8:15:31 GMT YL said:

Mar 15, 2019 6:50:10 GMT finsobruce said:

Off the top of my head I'm not sure which thread(s) they are on, but this has been discussed, and examples given, several times in the recent past.

Some made this one look like a positive landslide!

Here's one of the posts:

Feb 25, 2019 7:57:19 GMT andrewp said:

Some crackers in Cornwall in the last couple of elections.

Camborne Treslothan 2013
Lab 178 19.8%
Ukip 171 19%
Ind 151 16.8%
MK 146 16.2%
Con 136 15.1%
LD 61 6.8%
Green 58 6.4% 

Camborne Trelowarren 2017
Con 197 21.5%
Lab 194 21.1%
MK 192 20.9%
Ind 169 18.4%
Ind 126 13.7%
LD 40 4.3%

Thanks!

[andrew111]

Mar 15, 2019 10:14:15 GMT carlton43 said:

Mar 15, 2019 10:02:45 GMT markgoodair said:

This from a man who's previous party only made any significance to British politics due to the fact that they had MEP's elected using PR. Or has that irony not sunk in?

Morning Mark.  Have a really nice day.

Yes, for a short time I was in UKIP for a purpose. Never held office, stood for election, and there is no irony to be detected at all. The hated EU Elections to the hated EU pseudo-parliament are conducted by PR at the diktat of the hated EU and there is no irony in that at all as you well know.

Calm down dear!

They don't hate collecting the salary allowances and pension paid by us taxpayers though! Hatred is a very movable feast for Kippers

[Merseymike]

A remarkably high vote for the Socialist Alternative

[andrew111]

Mar 15, 2019 9:18:35 GMT carlton43 said:

Mar 15, 2019 9:02:47 GMT froome said:

Actually neither you, nor I, nor Mark, or anybody else, know what the result might be, but there is no certainty about who might win under any form of PR, as some people will vote differently in knowledge of how their vote can count.

Nonsense.  Labour would have won and you know it. This notion that a starry-eyed electorate would go all of a dither over the excitement of having PR and vote completely differently is utter tosh.

I think what Mark is pointing out is that elections like this show that there is support well beyond our false binary political system. Even if people did not change their votes, PR would lead to a very different House of Commons, as you of course know.

[carlton43]

Mar 15, 2019 10:18:09 GMT andrew111 said:

Mar 15, 2019 10:14:15 GMT carlton43 said:

Morning Mark.  Have a really nice day.

Yes, for a short time I was in UKIP for a purpose. Never held office, stood for election, and there is no irony to be detected at all. The hated EU Elections to the hated EU pseudo-parliament are conducted by PR at the diktat of the hated EU and there is no irony in that at all as you well know.

Calm down dear!

They don't hate collecting the salary allowances and pension paid by us taxpayers though! Hatred is a very movable feast for Kippers

What on earth has that to do with me.  I have been a paid-up Conservative for over 2-years?

Those members of the parliament of all parties collect salary and expenses I understand? What is this childish and petulant point you are both trying to make and what has it to do with me? I want to be out of it all with no one paid to go there. You are both in favour of maintaining these large payments, but are just full of envy that it is not going to your party! 

[carlton43]

Mar 15, 2019 10:22:12 GMT andrew111 said:

Mar 15, 2019 9:18:35 GMT carlton43 said:

Nonsense.  Labour would have won and you know it. This notion that a starry-eyed electorate would go all of a dither over the excitement of having PR and vote completely differently is utter tosh.

I think what Mark is pointing out is that elections like this show that there is support well beyond our false binary political system. Even if people did not change their votes, PR would lead to a very different House of Commons, as you of course know.

And you dream of it being a better HOC for it of course instead of being a perpetuation of the total shambles we are witnessing there now. Instead of it being an outcome of a running sore caused by membership of the EU that we all hope to be over fairly soon, you wish to perpetuate it by altering the structure to ensure no majorities on anything ever again and perpetual chaos.

Let us have some nice pink fluffy 'fairness' (otherwise known as the minor party and LD enabling act) and live unhappily and in chaos ever after.  

[The Bishop]

Mar 15, 2019 10:31:41 GMT carlton43 said:

Mar 15, 2019 10:22:12 GMT andrew111 said:

I think what Mark is pointing out is that elections like this show that there is support well beyond our false binary political system. Even if people did not change their votes, PR would lead to a very different House of Commons, as you of course know.

And you dream of it being a better HOC for it of course instead of being a perpetuation of the total shambles we are witnessing there now. Instead of it being an outcome of a running sore caused by membership of the EU that we all hope to be over fairly soon, you wish to perpetuate it by altering the structure to ensure no majorities on anything ever again and perpetual chaos.

Let us have some nice pink fluffy 'fairness' (otherwise known as the minor party and LD enabling act) and live unhappily and in chaos ever after.  

Erm.......