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Post by Georg Ebner on Oct 21, 2024 0:09:40 GMT
The diaSpora might provide 50,000 votes more for YES, what would be a majority of 2,000...
And this with the PSRM advocating its supporters to boycott the referendum...
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Post by eastmidlandsright on Oct 21, 2024 0:12:39 GMT
The diaSpora might provide 50,000 votes more for YES, what would be a majority of 2,000... And this with the PSRM advocating its supporters to boycott the referendum... Indeed, on the current trajectory it looks like Yes will just edge it but without a detailed breakdown of where Diaspora results have been counted it is far from certain. |
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Post by iain on Oct 21, 2024 8:08:48 GMT
And ‘Yes’ did pull it out at the death, thanks to the very large expat vote. Sandu ended on about 42%.
Hardly a ringing endorsement for either, even with large scale Russian interference.
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Post by mboy on Oct 21, 2024 8:41:26 GMT
I worry that the extreme closeness will lead to civil unrest, which is pretty much Moscow's goal anyway.
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Post by matureleft on Oct 21, 2024 9:02:52 GMT
And ‘Yes’ did pull it out at the death, thanks to the very large expat vote. Sandu ended on about 42%. Hardly a ringing endorsement for either, even with large scale Russian interference. The server appears to be down again. They’re having a tough time running democracy here (and it would be hard enough doing that in a country where even limited democracy has been a fleeting phenomenon in the past, even without Russian activism). As in Ukraine there’s some very problematic history that (in part because of the Soviet period) continues to resonate. Sandu, a seemingly pretty westernised woman, felt called on to make ambivalent remarks about Antonescu and then retreat. |
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Post by The Bishop on Oct 21, 2024 10:54:25 GMT
And this with the PSRM advocating its supporters to boycott the referendum... Given the actual result, the only response to this is surely - lol, and indeed lmao. |
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Post by r34t on Oct 21, 2024 14:32:23 GMT
And this with the PSRM advocating its supporters to boycott the referendum... Given the actual result, the only response to this is surely - lol, and indeed lmao. & given the closeness of the result then I assume Russia will start advocating for the oppressed masses in the Sudetenland Transnistria |
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Post by mrpastelito on Oct 21, 2024 16:55:18 GMT
Two(!) polling stations for the 400k Moldovans living in Russia.
For comparison: 60 in Italy, 26 in Germany, 20 in France, 17 in the UK, 16 in Romania, 16 in the US, 11 in Spain, 10 in Ireland and 6 in Portugal.
How very democratic.
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Post by John Chanin on Oct 21, 2024 17:31:09 GMT
Given the actual result, the only response to this is surely - lol, and indeed lmao. & given the closeness of the result then I assume Russia will start advocating for the oppressed masses in the Sudetenland Transnistria Transdnistria is an interesting issue. I seem to remember from previous elections that they are still Moldovan citizens, and entitled to vote, but have to cross the river to Moldova proper in order to do so. Few do. Maybe someone with more knowledge than me can say. I'd guess that decent turnout in Transdnistria would definitely nix a referendum to seek to join the EU. If Moldova had any sense it would simply rejoin Romania. But of course its politicians would lose power and all the juicy corruption opportunities that go with it. I suspect the populace however would be happy with this. |
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Post by r34t on Oct 21, 2024 17:43:59 GMT
Two(!) polling stations for the 400k Moldovans living in Russia. For comparison: 60 in Italy, 26 in Germany, 20 in France, 17 in the UK, 16 in Romania, 16 in the US, 11 in Spain, 10 in Ireland and 6 in Portugal. How very democratic. But why should they bother. Putin will vote for them. |
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Post by iain on Oct 21, 2024 18:22:58 GMT
& given the closeness of the result then I assume Russia will start advocating for the oppressed masses in the Sudetenland Transnistria Transdnistria is an interesting issue. I seem to remember from previous elections that they are still Moldovan citizens, and entitled to vote, but have to cross the river to Moldova proper in order to do so. Few do. Maybe someone with more knowledge than me can say. I'd guess that decent turnout in Transdnistria would definitely nix a referendum to seek to join the EU. If Moldova had any sense it would simply rejoin Romania. But of course its politicians would lose power and all the juicy corruption opportunities that go with it. I suspect the populace however would be happy with this. You suspect wrongly. On the whole, the liberal pro-EU politicians in Moldova are fairly pro-unification with Romania, but they don’t tend to act on it due to popular unease. The Sandu government changed the name of the language in the constitution from Moldovan to Romanian, which was a hugely controversial move. On the other side of the the political divide, I suppose you could claim that the corrupt Oligarchs currently in opposition would oppose unification for purely selfish reasons, and I’m sure that is part of it for many of them - but you can hardly say they are acting without popular consent from their voter base. The more EU-sceptical and pro-Russian segment of the electorate is hardly going to support unification with Romania, particularly ethnic minorities like the Gagauz. |
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Post by mrpastelito on Oct 21, 2024 18:42:45 GMT
Two(!) polling stations for the 400k Moldovans living in Russia. For comparison: 60 in Italy, 26 in Germany, 20 in France, 17 in the UK, 16 in Romania, 16 in the US, 11 in Spain, 10 in Ireland and 6 in Portugal. How very democratic. But why should they bother. Putin will vote for them. What an absolutely gormless, idiotic response. |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Oct 21, 2024 20:25:59 GMT
& given the closeness of the result then I assume Russia will start advocating for the oppressed masses in the Sudetenland Transnistria Transdnistria is an interesting issue. I seem to remember from previous elections that they are still Moldovan citizens, and entitled to vote, but have to cross the river to Moldova proper in order to do so. Few do. Maybe someone with more knowledge than me can say. I'd guess that decent turnout in Transdnistria would definitely nix a referendum to seek to join the EU. If Moldova had any sense it would simply rejoin Romania. But of course its politicians would lose power and all the juicy corruption opportunities that go with it. I suspect the populace however would be happy with this. Once the populace was more against it: PCRM campaigned on its opPonents planning to join EU & NATO - and won. Nowadays they are more supportive, but it has obvious limits - on the conspiracyTheory by the proWestCamp of Russian "interference at an unprecented level" i am sceptical for the same reason like You: Had the Kremlin itself really tried hard, they had ordered the TransNistrians to cross the river and participate. So there was perhaps only some voteBuying by the private Mr.Shor. |
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Post by sanders on Oct 21, 2024 20:50:17 GMT
Why so many invalid or blank votes?
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Post by Delighted Of Tunbridge Wells on Oct 22, 2024 15:53:54 GMT
Why so many invalid or blank votes? Lack of non-corrupt politicians to vote for? |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Oct 25, 2024 2:34:45 GMT
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Post by Georg Ebner on Oct 25, 2024 5:11:45 GMT
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Post by Georg Ebner on Nov 3, 2024 19:12:51 GMT
RunOff today.
The numbers of round I hint to a clear victory of the inCumbent; though the very narrow referendum-result might have energized both sides enough, that this will turn into another plebiscite with a very close outCome?
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Post by Georg Ebner on Nov 3, 2024 20:26:16 GMT
With 85% of precincts counted the challenger is just 40,000 votes ahead - surely not enough.
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Post by eastmidlandsright on Nov 3, 2024 20:32:55 GMT
With 85% of precincts counted the challenger is just 40,000 votes ahead - surely not enough. As always the diaspora vote will be very strong for Sandhu, especially as they make it very hard for Moldovans living in Russia to vote. |
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