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Post by Penddu on Mar 1, 2019 13:46:24 GMT
Saucer of milk, sir?  W-e-e-e-l-l. 4-pages of garbage on a non-existent entity of 2-men and an alleged Welsh-speaking dog that take months to not get registered and try to get a one or two word name correct. This is witless nonsense. You shouldnt judge the party on the contents of this thread. Tomorrow we will be holding a manifesto conference in Newtown Powys and following which we will publish our manifesto. At this point we will launch a membership drive, but we are not counting on you... |
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Post by carlton43 on Mar 1, 2019 13:52:14 GMT
W-e-e-e-l-l. 4-pages of garbage on a non-existent entity of 2-men and an alleged Welsh-speaking dog that take months to not get registered and try to get a one or two word name correct. This is witless nonsense. You shouldnt judge the party on the contents of this thread. Tomorrow we will be holding a manifesto conference in Newtown Powys and following which we will publish our manifesto. At this point we will launch a membership drive, but we are not counting on you... Not holding my breath. What has made you do this and support it? Why now and with what short and long term purposes in your mind? If all goes as well as you hope what would one expect to witness at the end of say 2-years, then 5-years and 10-years? |
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Post by johnloony on Mar 1, 2019 14:28:48 GMT
I've made some enquiries and, if you so choose, you can bet on Ein Gwlad over the phone with at least one bookie. My ex colleague seemed somewhat confused though, not even realising that there was a by election in the offing and initially assuming it was Brexit related. Personally, I'd try and get a price out of Ladbrokes and see how long it takes them to panic about over exposure. That is a clever bookie who will make free money on that - because Ein Gwlad/Gwlad Gwlad will not be standing. We have consistently stated that we will not stand for Westminster. Rubbish. Eleven days ago you wrote: We have finally been accepted and registered by Electoral Commission - but with a notable change. Can anyone spot it? But we are official and could stand in Newport West byelection...... It is our policy not to stand for Westminster but it could be a useful publicity excercise! You are allowed to be inconsistent, to change your mind, to stand in a by-election for publicity, and to be hopelessly incompetent in your attempts to get registered as a party, but being a nanglyboop is just frobdoolious. |
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Post by Tony Otim on Mar 1, 2019 16:36:37 GMT
I think all Ein Gwlad posts should be in both Welsh and English. I'm quite happy for them to be just in Welsh, honestly... |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Mar 1, 2019 19:14:00 GMT
I think all Ein Gwlad posts should be in both Welsh and English. Ah, but judging by their website the content would be different between the two versions. |
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Post by carlton43 on Mar 1, 2019 19:44:11 GMT
I think all Ein Gwlad posts should be in both Welsh and English. Ah, but judging by their website the content would be different between the two versions. Each of the two known members have a version? |
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Post by Penddu on Mar 1, 2019 20:41:06 GMT
That is a clever bookie who will make free money on that - because Ein Gwlad/Gwlad Gwlad will not be standing. We have consistently stated that we will not stand for Westminster. Rubbish. Eleven days ago you wrote: We have finally been accepted and registered by Electoral Commission - but with a notable change. Can anyone spot it? But we are official and could stand in Newport West byelection...... It is our policy not to stand for Westminster but it could be a useful publicity excercise! You are allowed to be inconsistent, to change your mind, to stand in a by-election for publicity, and to be hopelessly incompetent in your attempts to get registered as a party, but being a nanglyboop is just frobdoolious. Can you see the word 'could' ... do you know what it means? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2019 21:14:19 GMT
Rubbish. Eleven days ago you wrote:You are allowed to be inconsistent, to change your mind, to stand in a by-election for publicity, and to be hopelessly incompetent in your attempts to get registered as a party, but being a nanglyboop is just frobdoolious. Can you see the word 'could' ... do you know what it means? It implies that something is a possibility - and your recent post on this thread implies that the same thing is distinctly NOT a possibility. |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Mar 1, 2019 21:53:11 GMT
A couple of voices on Twitter think that Neil Hamilton will be the Ukip candidate. At which point Gwlad/ Ein Gwlad/ Gwlad Gwlad would lose their status as the jokiest of joke candidates. |
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Post by carlton43 on Mar 1, 2019 22:29:10 GMT
A couple of voices on Twitter think that Neil Hamilton will be the Ukip candidate. At which point Gwlad/ Ein Gwlad/ Gwlad Gwlad would lose their status as the jokiest of joke candidates. Don't be too hasty. they are in with far more than a shout. |
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Mar 1, 2019 22:37:02 GMT
He’s denied it to the Weatern Mail’s Chief Corespondent
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Post by AdminSTB on Mar 1, 2019 22:50:06 GMT
It is now 36 years since the Conservatives won the inaugural contest for this seat by 581 votes. The circumstances haven't yet been right for history to repeat itself - and this by-election is almost certainly no exception - but the potential is still there unlike many other seats which are completely out of reach.
Going off on a tangent, the first MP for this seat, Mark Robinson, seems to have kept a very low profile - certainly in political terms - over the past couple of decades although I gather he is an observer of elections in Commonwealth countries. Perhaps this forum would interest him.
He was still only 50 when he lost Somerton and Frome to David Heath. Surprisingly few Tory MPs who lost their seats in 1997 seemed to attempt a subsequent comeback. I don't know what accounted for this - whether it was the trauma of experiencing the 1992-7 Parliament, the lack of Tory progress in the decade that followed or a desire for more youngblood from CCHQ.
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Post by johnloony on Mar 2, 2019 1:13:55 GMT
Rubbish. Eleven days ago you wrote:You are allowed to be inconsistent, to change your mind, to stand in a by-election for publicity, and to be hopelessly incompetent in your attempts to get registered as a party, but being a nanglyboop is just frobdoolious. Can you see the word 'could' ... do you know what it means? I know what "could" means. I also know what "consistently... will not" means. I know that there is a direct contradiction between those two. I also know that you have been faffing about with your new party for about nine months, most of which time has been taken up with trying to get registered as a party and/or sorting out what your name is going to be - something which most new parties manage within a few days. |
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Post by heslingtonian on Mar 2, 2019 9:54:07 GMT
It is now 36 years since the Conservatives won the inaugural contest for this seat by 581 votes. The circumstances haven't yet been right for history to repeat itself - and this by-election is almost certainly no exception - but the potential is still there unlike many other seats which are completely out of reach. Going off on a tangent, the first MP for this seat, Mark Robinson, seems to have kept a very low profile - certainly in political terms - over the past couple of decades although I gather he is an observer of elections in Commonwealth countries. Perhaps this forum would interest him. He was still only 50 when he lost Somerton and Frome to David Heath. Surprisingly few Tory MPs who lost their seats in 1997 seemed to attempt a subsequent comeback. I don't know what accounted for this - whether it was the trauma of experiencing the 1992-7 Parliament, the lack of Tory progress in the decade that followed or a desire for more youngblood from CCHQ. I suspect the fact that the Conservatives were consistently 20% plus behind in the polls during the 1997-2001 Parliament influenced many not to stand again in 2001. To be fair quite a few of those defeated in 1997 returned for other seats - Alastair Burt, Derek Conway, Michael Portillo, Jacqui Lait, Malcolm Rifkind, David Evennett and Andrew Mitchell for instance. A couple - Henry Bellingham and Bob Spink also won back the seats they lost to avenge their defeat. |
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Post by The Bishop on Mar 2, 2019 11:02:32 GMT
It is now 36 years since the Conservatives won the inaugural contest for this seat by 581 votes. The circumstances haven't yet been right for history to repeat itself - and this by-election is almost certainly no exception - but the potential is still there unlike many other seats which are completely out of reach. Going off on a tangent, the first MP for this seat, Mark Robinson, seems to have kept a very low profile - certainly in political terms - over the past couple of decades although I gather he is an observer of elections in Commonwealth countries. Perhaps this forum would interest him. He was still only 50 when he lost Somerton and Frome to David Heath. Surprisingly few Tory MPs who lost their seats in 1997 seemed to attempt a subsequent comeback. I don't know what accounted for this - whether it was the trauma of experiencing the 1992-7 Parliament, the lack of Tory progress in the decade that followed or a desire for more youngblood from CCHQ. I suspect the fact that the Conservatives were consistently 20% plus behind in the polls during the 1997-2001 Parliament influenced many not to stand again in 2001. To be fair quite a few of those defeated in 1997 returned for other seats - Alastair Burt, Derek Conway, Michael Portillo, Jacqui Lait, Malcolm Rifkind, David Evennett and Andrew Mitchell for instance. A couple - Henry Bellingham and Bob Spink also won back the seats they lost to avenge their defeat. It was the same seat he had lost in the 1997 GE wasn't it? (and indeed he is still there now) |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Mar 2, 2019 11:37:01 GMT
I suspect the fact that the Conservatives were consistently 20% plus behind in the polls during the 1997-2001 Parliament influenced many not to stand again in 2001. To be fair quite a few of those defeated in 1997 returned for other seats - Alastair Burt, Derek Conway, Michael Portillo, Jacqui Lait, Malcolm Rifkind, David Evennett and Andrew Mitchell for instance. A couple - Henry Bellingham and Bob Spink also won back the seats they lost to avenge their defeat. It was the same seat he had lost in the 1997 GE wasn't it? (and indeed he is still there now) Indeed although he didn't win it in 2001 - he came back again in 2005. There were quite a few other defeated MPs who did try for a comeback in their original seat in 2001 and lost again |
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Post by greenhert on Mar 2, 2019 12:05:15 GMT
It is now 36 years since the Conservatives won the inaugural contest for this seat by 581 votes. The circumstances haven't yet been right for history to repeat itself - and this by-election is almost certainly no exception - but the potential is still there unlike many other seats which are completely out of reach. Going off on a tangent, the first MP for this seat, Mark Robinson, seems to have kept a very low profile - certainly in political terms - over the past couple of decades although I gather he is an observer of elections in Commonwealth countries. Perhaps this forum would interest him. He was still only 50 when he lost Somerton and Frome to David Heath. Surprisingly few Tory MPs who lost their seats in 1997 seemed to attempt a subsequent comeback. I don't know what accounted for this - whether it was the trauma of experiencing the 1992-7 Parliament, the lack of Tory progress in the decade that followed or a desire for more youngblood from CCHQ. I suspect the fact that the Conservatives were consistently 20% plus behind in the polls during the 1997-2001 Parliament influenced many not to stand again in 2001. To be fair quite a few of those defeated in 1997 returned for other seats - Alastair Burt, Derek Conway, Michael Portillo, Jacqui Lait, Malcolm Rifkind, David Evennett and Andrew Mitchell for instance. A couple - Henry Bellingham and Bob Spink also won back the seats they lost to avenge their defeat. Jonathan Evans, who lost Brecon & Radnorshire (back) to Richard Livesey in 1997, also eventually returned to Parliament by winning Cardiff North in 2010, only to retire after one term (he was 64 years of age when he retired in 2015).
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Post by Tony Otim on Mar 2, 2019 13:55:28 GMT
Waiting on my washing machine to finish its thing so please enjoy the products of being bored and clock-watching, one ordinary and standard graph of the Newport West results history; one very much not to be taken that seriously.   Wouldn't it make more sense to colour code the top one by party rather than by year? |
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Post by Tony Otim on Mar 2, 2019 14:34:49 GMT
Wouldn't it make more sense to colour code the top one by party rather than by year? Yes, but it was hastily done and rapidly deleted, I was only doing it to pass the time! Fair enough. |
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Post by timrollpickering on Mar 2, 2019 14:53:24 GMT
I suspect the fact that the Conservatives were consistently 20% plus behind in the polls during the 1997-2001 Parliament influenced many not to stand again in 2001. To be fair quite a few of those defeated in 1997 returned for other seats - Alastair Burt, Derek Conway, Michael Portillo, Jacqui Lait, Malcolm Rifkind, David Evennett and Andrew Mitchell for instance. A couple - Henry Bellingham and Bob Spink also won back the seats they lost to avenge their defeat. It was the same seat he had lost in the 1997 GE wasn't it? (and indeed he is still there now) Boundary changes turned it from Erith & Crayford to Bexleyheath & Crayford. |
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