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Post by andrea on Jun 8, 2019 16:34:42 GMT
The calls in the Times are Louise Ellman's As suggested by Mondialito, I guess Berger is unfollowing all these who were tweeting their delight for the victory in Peterborough and/or those MPs who went to campaign in the last few days against the call by Jewish Labour Movement not to campaign for Forbes. Some such as Streeting and Creasy openly said they didn't campaign in Peterborough since the revelations came to light. I guess few others may have not gone there without publicizing too much one way or the other. Others went along on Election Day. From a random selection from tweeters, I see the following MPs were campaignin in Peterborough or doing phone canvassing on Monday to Thursday: Louise Haigh and Vernon Coaker (as Labour campaign managers), Diane Abbott, Ed Miliband, Mary Glindon, Caroline Flint, Pat Glass, Rupa Huq, Val Vaz. Stephen Pound, Lyn Brown, Daniel Zeichner, Stephanie Peacock, Angela Rayner, Lesley Rayd, Christina Rees, Stephen Kinnock, Imran Hussain, Margaret Greenwood, Dan Carden, Dawn Butler, Seema Malhotra was certainly there too. The above list is an interesting mixture, basically encompassing almost the entire spectrum of Labour opinion. (Pat Glass of course is no longer an MP). I suppose others were there too...as I said, it was just a first glace list. And I wrote Pat Glass..but meant Liz Twist! Not sure why I thought about Glass |
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Post by Adrian on Jun 8, 2019 17:30:32 GMT
I don't believe (from what I've seen so far) that Lisa Forbes is Antisemitic in any meaningful way. It's unfortunate to say the least that we are being encouraged to judge people we don't know on the basis of one or two tweets or posts they liked. It's shocking that some of her new colleagues would jump on the bandwagon rather than speaking to her.
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Post by Adam in Stroud on Jun 8, 2019 17:40:10 GMT
I don't believe (from what I've seen so far) that Lisa Forbes is Antisemitic in any meaningful way. It's unfortunate to say the least that we are being encouraged to judge people we don't know on the basis of one or two tweets or posts they liked. It's shocking that some of her new colleagues would jump on the bandwagon rather than speaking to her. If I was a Labour member I would be very unimpressed by fellow members calling for her suspension or withdrawal of the whip just a day after election. I might be watching he like a hawk, but there's a time and place. |
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Post by Merseymike on Jun 8, 2019 17:53:05 GMT
I don't believe (from what I've seen so far) that Lisa Forbes is Antisemitic in any meaningful way. It's unfortunate to say the least that we are being encouraged to judge people we don't know on the basis of one or two tweets or posts they liked. It's shocking that some of her new colleagues would jump on the bandwagon rather than speaking to her. If I was a Labour member I would be very unimpressed by fellow members calling for her suspension or withdrawal of the whip just a day after election. I might be watching he like a hawk, but there's a time and place. For liking two Facebook threads? Over-reaction or what.... This is all about politics. The MP's who have kicked up a fuss are without exception Labour In Name Only MP's who I had hoped would have pissed off by now (there's still time!) , hate the leadership, and have an Israel-right-or-wrong approach to that particular issue. They wanted Labour to lose, so they could once again try and engineer a leadership election, but it didn't happen, so they are throwing their toys out of the pram in another way I think its about time we withdrew the whip from Ellman, Streeting, Hodge and Phillips. They won't be missed, and they contribute nothing to the party. Those people who agree with them won't be voting Labour anyway, and two of them are going to get deselected anyway, so may as well make the job easier. |
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Post by timrollpickering on Jun 8, 2019 18:08:48 GMT
As for the colour clashing purple and yellow... Ukip didn't always use purple and yellow though. Anyone know when they started? Here's mid 1990s Nigel Farage:  I thought the "Aaargh!" moments were precisely that, though I guess Ukip were so intent on taking us back to the 1950s that these moments are meant to be taken seriously. IIUC the worst ever audience appreciation figures recorded in the UK are for some party political broadcasts. Truly the seven most feared words in British broadcasting are: "There now follows a party political broadcast..." |
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Post by curiousliberal on Jun 8, 2019 18:28:47 GMT
I don't believe (from what I've seen so far) that Lisa Forbes is Antisemitic in any meaningful way. It's unfortunate to say the least that we are being encouraged to judge people we don't know on the basis of one or two tweets or posts they liked. It's shocking that some of her new colleagues would jump on the bandwagon rather than speaking to her. She's left room for doubt, and it's true that they're not giving that to her. Mind you, this is exactly the sort of thing the wider party would get behind were the candidate in question not wearing a red rosette, and I have sympathy with JLM's current inability to take any more shit (for the time being) for the sake of party solidarity. |
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Post by finsobruce on Jun 8, 2019 18:57:56 GMT
Already calls to suspend the putative new MP for anti semitism. (The Times front page). Our former paper of record proving yet again that it is now the most ludicrous propaganda rag. Should have been forcibly closed down for a month after its "EVIL MUSLAMICS ARE COMING FOR YOUR KIDS" total confection. You can throw its blatant trans hate in as well. It hasn't been this country's 'paper of record" since at least when Murdoch took it over, and it never spoke for large sections of the population before that. |
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Post by The Bishop on Jun 9, 2019 9:51:13 GMT
If I was a Labour member I would be very unimpressed by fellow members calling for her suspension or withdrawal of the whip just a day after election. I might be watching he like a hawk, but there's a time and place. For liking two Facebook threads? Over-reaction or what.... This is all about politics. The MP's who have kicked up a fuss are without exception Labour In Name Only MP's who I had hoped would have pissed off by now (there's still time!) , hate the leadership, and have an Israel-right-or-wrong approach to that particular issue. They wanted Labour to lose, so they could once again try and engineer a leadership election, but it didn't happen, so they are throwing their toys out of the pram in another way I think its about time we withdrew the whip from Ellman, Streeting, Hodge and Phillips. They won't be missed, and they contribute nothing to the party. Those people who agree with them won't be voting Labour anyway, and two of them are going to get deselected anyway, so may as well make the job easier. It is also perfectly reasonable to suggest it is time for Hodge and Ellman to retire in any case. |
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Post by edgbaston on Jun 10, 2019 4:31:53 GMT
I think TH perfectly sums up the issue here.
Such a none issue.
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Post by Merseymike on Jun 10, 2019 8:41:32 GMT
For liking two Facebook threads? Over-reaction or what.... This is all about politics. The MP's who have kicked up a fuss are without exception Labour In Name Only MP's who I had hoped would have pissed off by now (there's still time!) , hate the leadership, and have an Israel-right-or-wrong approach to that particular issue. They wanted Labour to lose, so they could once again try and engineer a leadership election, but it didn't happen, so they are throwing their toys out of the pram in another way I think its about time we withdrew the whip from Ellman, Streeting, Hodge and Phillips. They won't be missed, and they contribute nothing to the party. Those people who agree with them won't be voting Labour anyway, and two of them are going to get deselected anyway, so may as well make the job easier. Jess Philips's strong opposition to the demonstrations against LGBTQ education is in stark contrast to Roger Godsiff. If anyone should lose the whip it should be Godsiff. If Philips doesn't contribute much Godsiff contributes less. Oh, I'm not going to support Godsiff on any grounds - I'm actually surprised he has lasted as long as he has. Is it union backing? It's well known that the GMB have enabled his survival to date. |
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Post by Rutlander on Jun 10, 2019 19:41:02 GMT
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Post by markgoodair on Jun 10, 2019 20:12:42 GMT
I'm informed through Twitter that a grouplet of "Peterborough truthers" exist trying to prove that the by-election and the count were rigged. Commonly known as sad acts. They probably also believe that George Soros was a Nazi. |
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Post by matureleft on Jun 10, 2019 20:35:37 GMT
The council document demonstrates the range of conspiracy theories and simple falsehoods circulating. There really are logical and legitimate reasons why the Brexit Party didn't win....
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Jun 10, 2019 20:45:17 GMT
I particularly love the people assuming it is de facto suspicious that the postal vote turnout percentage was higher than the in-person turnout percentage.
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Post by gwynthegriff on Jun 10, 2019 21:06:22 GMT
I particularly love the people assuming it is de facto suspicious that the postal vote turnout percentage was higher than the in-person turnout percentage. The ratio looks about right to me. |
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Post by J.G.Harston on Jun 10, 2019 21:57:05 GMT
It says a lot that councils have to outline how elections work about the age we're living in. Were there seriously some people who don't live in Peterborough complaining that they couldn't vote in the Peterborough by-election?
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Post by finsobruce on Jun 10, 2019 22:14:17 GMT
It says a lot that councils have to outline how elections work about the age we're living in. Were there seriously some people who don't live in Peterborough complaining that they couldn't vote in the Peterborough by-election?
Apparently, yes.
My favourite bit is this:
Too easy for people to vote online and then set up a new email address and vote again
A. It is not possible for anyone to vote online in the UK.
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Post by hedgehog on Jun 11, 2019 6:02:03 GMT
It says a lot that councils have to outline how elections work about the age we're living in. Were there seriously some people who don't live in Peterborough complaining that they couldn't vote in the Peterborough by-election?
Yes, but that's because of the way council and constituency boundaries don't coincide. Lots of people who voted in the Peterborough local elections, but didn't realise they were in the North West Cambridgeshire constituency for instance. |
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Jun 11, 2019 8:34:20 GMT
The attached note breaking down the number of eligible postal voters and other voters by ward is interesting. Central ward has a slightly higher percentage of postal voters, but that's only a couple of hundred more. Otherwise it seems to be pretty uniform across the seat. |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jun 11, 2019 8:41:48 GMT
The attached note breaking down the number of eligible postal voters and other voters by ward is interesting. Central ward has a slightly higher percentage of postal voters, but that's only a couple of hundred more. Otherwise it seems to be pretty uniform across the seat. It refused to open for me: "You need permission to access this published document". |
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