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Post by owainsutton on Oct 29, 2024 18:32:35 GMT
I can hear the German provincial opera houses laughing from here. I read the word 'Opera House'? I have attended many of them in Germany. Your point being that most are subsidised, owned or even built by the regional authorities? Correct! In a country that values opera and other forms of high culture. The UK is a sub lowbrow culture with councillors and MP more concerned with darts, snooker, bingo and pop music, rather that opera, art, intellectual cinema/drama or poetry. "Pubs? Good. Darts and snooker? Bad." I really don't think the pubs you like are where I want to hang out. (Owain Sutton MusB MusM, if you want my high-culture credentials.) |
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Post by carlton43 on Oct 29, 2024 18:38:26 GMT
I read the word 'Opera House'? I have attended many of them in Germany. Your point being that most are subsidised, owned or even built by the regional authorities? Correct! In a country that values opera and other forms of high culture. The UK is a sub lowbrow culture with councillors and MP more concerned with darts, snooker, bingo and pop music, rather that opera, art, intellectual cinema/drama or poetry. "Pubs? Good. Darts and snooker? Bad." I really don't think the pubs you like are where I want to hang out. (Owain Sutton MusB MusM, if you want my high-culture credentials.) Well that is very good news for both of us and I am never impressed by bits of paper and have not one whit of an interest in what you term your 'credentials'. We are probably not a million miles apart in our mutual concerns. I am not against subsidy, subvention, and provision, as long as it is worthy, high quality and deserving. |
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Post by owainsutton on Oct 29, 2024 18:56:06 GMT
"Pubs? Good. Darts and snooker? Bad." I really don't think the pubs you like are where I want to hang out. (Owain Sutton MusB MusM, if you want my high-culture credentials.) Well that is very good news for both of us and I am never impressed by bits of paper and have not one whit of an interest in what you term your 'credentials'. We are probably not a million miles apart in our mutual concerns. I am not against subsidy, subvention, and provision, as long as it is worthy, high quality and deserving. We're a long way further apart than that. I'm keen on quite a bit more than just having the trains run on time. |
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Oct 29, 2024 19:03:43 GMT
I can hear the German provincial opera houses laughing from here. I read the word 'Opera House'? I have attended many of them in Germany. Your point being that most are subsidised, owned or even built by the regional authorities? Correct! In a country that values opera and other forms of high culture. The UK is a sub lowbrow culture with councillors and MP more concerned with darts, snooker, bingo and pop music, rather that opera, art, intellectual cinema/drama or poetry. "Nationalist can't understand that some countries have different culture to others" |
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Post by carlton43 on Oct 29, 2024 19:04:18 GMT
Well that is very good news for both of us and I am never impressed by bits of paper and have not one whit of an interest in what you term your 'credentials'. We are probably not a million miles apart in our mutual concerns. I am not against subsidy, subvention, and provision, as long as it is worthy, high quality and deserving. We're a long way further apart than that. I'm keen on quite a bit more than just having the trains run on time. Very well. I was just making an overture to close that gap. You wish to extend it. I leave it there. |
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Post by J.G.Harston on Oct 29, 2024 20:02:09 GMT
Really? I don't think so. What is the bloody point of them? I like opera, ballet, drama, films, drinking, jokes, jazz, football and orchestras and find that I am well served by opera houses, theatres, cinemas, pubs, jazz venues, football stadiums and concert halls. Where does the crass invention of 'Leisure Centre' creep into your thinking here. I regard the very phrase as a form of irritating swearword. I can hear the German provincial opera houses laughing from here. I've been listening to Timothy West's autobiography in the mornings while driving. There was one bit about arts funding cuts in the early 1980s. A German theatre manager said to him: They've cut 1.4 *million* pounds from the whole budget? Just 1.4? That's how much I get in one year for just my theatre!
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 29, 2024 20:18:40 GMT
Germany's approach to culture can often be very odd. It maintains some of the most exclusive, rarefied artistic practices in Europe.
It is also probably Europe's biggest market for pseudo-Americana.
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Post by tomc on Oct 29, 2024 20:40:20 GMT
I read the word 'Opera House'? I have attended many of them in Germany. Your point being that most are subsidised, owned or even built by the regional authorities? Correct! In a country that values opera and other forms of high culture. The UK is a sub lowbrow culture with councillors and MP more concerned with darts, snooker, bingo and pop music, rather that opera, art, intellectual cinema/drama or poetry. "Nationalist can't understand that some countries have different culture to others" I don't think Owainsutton would appreciate you calling him a nationalist. |
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Post by greatkingrat on Oct 29, 2024 20:44:20 GMT
Germany's approach to culture can often be very odd. It maintains some of the most exclusive, rarefied artistic practices in Europe. It is also probably Europe's biggest market for pseudo-Americana. Wagner or David Hasselhoff and nothing in between. |
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Oct 29, 2024 21:28:06 GMT
"Nationalist can't understand that some countries have different culture to others" I don't think Owainsutton would appreciate you calling him a nationalist. I wasn't. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 29, 2024 21:28:38 GMT
Germany's approach to culture can often be very odd. It maintains some of the most exclusive, rarefied artistic practices in Europe. It is also probably Europe's biggest market for pseudo-Americana. Wagner or David Hasselhoff and nothing in between. Disturbingly accurate. And that's before we get onto the French and some of their...ahem... interesting interpretations of what America is like. |
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Post by timrollpickering on Oct 29, 2024 23:00:33 GMT
Pretty much all council leisure centres are loss-making. They are operated by local authorities as a public service, not to generate income. (WCC is about the only local authority where the leisure operator pays the council for the right to operate the council's leisure facilities, and the amount paid has been low in the recent past due to COVID closures) There are few phrases in the English lexicon that sour one to utter contempt and total ennui more than LOCAL GOVERNMENT LEISURE CENTRE Did you never get caught up by the dream?  |
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Post by batman on Oct 29, 2024 23:35:46 GMT
I read the word 'Opera House'? I have attended many of them in Germany. Your point being that most are subsidised, owned or even built by the regional authorities? Correct! In a country that values opera and other forms of high culture. The UK is a sub lowbrow culture with councillors and MP more concerned with darts, snooker, bingo and pop music, rather that opera, art, intellectual cinema/drama or poetry. "Pubs? Good. Darts and snooker? Bad." I really don't think the pubs you like are where I want to hang out. (Owain Sutton MusB MusM, if you want my high-culture credentials.) Although I reject the great majority of his political statements & views, carlton43 actually has very good taste in pubs. (Barnaby Marder, MPhil in Composition, MA in Composition & Analysis, both Schenkerian & Babbittian) |
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Post by sanders on Oct 30, 2024 7:05:29 GMT
Re: public facilities, Finland has it right with saunas. We could do with more of those here.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Oct 30, 2024 11:20:58 GMT
Nick Housden, Gloucestershire county councillor for Stonehouse, again suspended from the Conservative group. (He was previously suspended after being charged with assault but reinstated when found not guilty) www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy5lkngq569o |
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Post by carolus on Oct 30, 2024 14:23:30 GMT
Havant, Stakes (2028). Elizabeth Lloyd, Conservative to Independent
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Post by owainsutton on Oct 30, 2024 18:07:31 GMT
"Pubs? Good. Darts and snooker? Bad." I really don't think the pubs you like are where I want to hang out. (Owain Sutton MusB MusM, if you want my high-culture credentials.) Although I reject the great majority of his political statements & views, carlton43 actually has very good taste in pubs. (Barnaby Marder, MPhil in Composition, MA in Composition & Analysis, both Schenkerian & Babbittian) There's got to be a very niche joke possible, involving Schenker and Single Transferable Vote. |
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Post by aargauer on Oct 30, 2024 19:31:38 GMT
My main criteria for pubs is that anywhere which has a dedicated space where cutlery is arranged already on the tables is absolutely out.
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Oct 31, 2024 16:18:30 GMT
Never trust a pub with a flat roof.
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Post by aargauer on Oct 31, 2024 17:26:02 GMT
Never trust a pub with a flat roof. They have a place. I've been in a lock-in in such a pub. In Consett. |
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