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Post by batman on May 6, 2024 18:49:44 GMT
I am given to understand that Cllr Walker played an active role in the earlier part of Labour's successful campaign to take control in Adur, though not recently. The other two apparently played very little if any part in the election campaign.
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Post by kevinf on May 6, 2024 21:20:18 GMT
Except they’re not “self serving eejits”, are they? They spent the past month campaigning hard to get the new Labour Councillors elected. Did they? If you can show me the evidence of this I will, to a great, if not total, degree, resile from my former opinion. Friends in Worthing Labour say both Walker and Shan were active throughout the campaign. I don’t know how to provide this as ‘evidence’ but I trust my friends. I just think we need a little less denunciation when people leave and a little more understanding if not actual regret.
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Post by mattbewilson on May 6, 2024 21:38:29 GMT
Except they’re not “self serving eejits”, are they? They spent the past month campaigning hard to get the new Labour Councillors elected. do we actually know that they did? They may have taken the decision not to disrupt Labour's campaign but I will find out whether they played an active part in Labour's campaign. I did read this somewhere can't remember where now though sorry
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Post by CatholicLeft on May 6, 2024 21:46:25 GMT
Did they? If you can show me the evidence of this I will, to a great, if not total, degree, resile from my former opinion. Friends in Worthing Labour say both Walker and Shan were active throughout the campaign. I don’t know how to provide this as ‘evidence’ but I trust my friends. I just think we need a little less denunciation when people leave and a little more understanding if not actual regret. If they had really campaigned hard for the local party, only to undermine the party's success within a couple of days, then I question their sincerity. I am happy to show understanding, but the fact that Cllr Schan expresses unhappiness with the party back to October, in the immediate aftermath of the slaughter by Hamas, makes me less empathetic. I am always sorry when people leave the party (Lord knows, I was devastated when I did), but I have nothing to regret, as I have not done anything to hurt them or cause them to leave. Indeed, I have admired the efforts of the Worthing Labour Party, which are remarkable. The timing is interesting, and the planning seems somewhat longterm.
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Post by matureleft on May 6, 2024 21:49:59 GMT
Did they? If you can show me the evidence of this I will, to a great, if not total, degree, resile from my former opinion. Friends in Worthing Labour say both Walker and Shan were active throughout the campaign. I don’t know how to provide this as ‘evidence’ but I trust my friends. I just think we need a little less denunciation when people leave and a little more understanding if not actual regret. You’ll see above that I have broadly taken that line, but their leaving messages were lengthy, bitter, unbalanced haranguing. You’d hardly expect much more understanding than I’ve offered? I’m generally sorry when people leave the party as I firmly believe that it should encompass a wide range of broad left opinion. I appreciate their past endeavours but those were shared with others who they now implicitly denounce as dupes at best.
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Post by ilerda on May 7, 2024 7:41:28 GMT
Mothin Ali, newly elected Green councillor for Gipton & Harehills, Leeds MBC, has apparently been suspended from the party for his tweet talking about white supremacists etc. Well I’m sure nobody could have foreseen that problem arising.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on May 7, 2024 11:06:09 GMT
At least he's being honest now.
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Post by ilerda on May 7, 2024 11:13:28 GMT
Boles very much has the air of the sort of Tory who would have excitedly joined the SDP. The fact he labelled himself an "Independent Progressive Conservative" after resigning the whip says a lot.
I'm not saying there isn't a place for him in the Conservative Party, but I'm not sure it should be his most natural home personally.
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Post by edgbaston on May 7, 2024 11:28:28 GMT
At least he's being honest now. It was revealed on the George Osbourne - Ed Balls podcast a few months ago that he would be voting Labour at the next election
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Post by The Bishop on May 7, 2024 11:29:02 GMT
Mothin Ali, newly elected Green councillor for Gipton & Harehills, Leeds MBC, has apparently been suspended from the party for his tweet talking about white supremacists etc. Well I’m sure nobody could have foreseen that problem arising. Maybe the really interesting question is how many other Greens (and indeed LibDems) elected on an anti-Labour Gaza protest vote will end up embarrassing their party?
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on May 7, 2024 11:57:56 GMT
At least he's being honest now. It was revealed on the George Osbourne - Ed Balls podcast a few months ago that he would be voting Labour at the next election He'd said similar before, but this must be the first time it's been clear that he's now on the payroll?
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Post by stb12 on May 7, 2024 12:03:06 GMT
At least he's being honest now. It was revealed on the George Osbourne - Ed Balls podcast a few months ago that he would be voting Labour at the next election So is Anna Soubry It’s clear that former Tories who became disillusioned with the party during the 2016-19 period didn’t feel they could turn to Labour during Corbyn’s leadership so went Lib Dem, Change UK or stayed independent. Starmer has certainly changed that now
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Post by matureleft on May 7, 2024 12:56:13 GMT
It was revealed on the George Osbourne - Ed Balls podcast a few months ago that he would be voting Labour at the next election So is Anna Soubry It’s clear that former Tories who became disillusioned with the party during the 2016-19 period didn’t feel they could turn to Labour during Corbyn’s leadership so went Lib Dem, Change UK or stayed independent. Starmer has certainly changed that now Next Osborne himself? He’s already made a number of positive references to Reeves and Labour.
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Post by The Bishop on May 7, 2024 13:25:34 GMT
Too tribally Tory, surely?
Which is maybe just as well, given that his "endorsement" would be at best a mixed blessing for us.
Not least because he is quite arguably THE architect of so much that is wrong with this country today.
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Post by matureleft on May 7, 2024 13:37:53 GMT
Too tribally Tory, surely? Which is maybe just as well, given that his "endorsement" would be at best a mixed blessing for us. Not least because he is quite arguably THE architect of so much that is wrong with this country today. Indeed. But I wouldn’t be particularly surprised. He clearly has little sympathy with the last few versions of the party. I’d imagine the culture wars stuff is particularly unappealing to him.
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Post by The Bishop on May 7, 2024 13:45:40 GMT
I have no doubt of your last point in particular, but would still be surprised if that ever adds up to an actual Labour endorsement.
His representative on earth (ie Janan Ganesh) remains highly sniffy about Starmer and his party, which may or may not be an indicator here.
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Post by heslingtonian on May 7, 2024 20:00:22 GMT
I have no doubt of your last point in particular, but would still be surprised if that ever adds up to an actual Labour endorsement. His representative on earth (ie Janan Ganesh) remains highly sniffy about Starmer and his party, which may or may not be an indicator here. Although there's also Mark Carney's endorsement for Labour. One wonders which other former Conservative MPs will endorse Labour at the GE? "Conservatives for Labour" may be a bit like Reagan Democrats at this election.
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Post by maxque on May 8, 2024 0:25:48 GMT
I have no doubt of your last point in particular, but would still be surprised if that ever adds up to an actual Labour endorsement. His representative on earth (ie Janan Ganesh) remains highly sniffy about Starmer and his party, which may or may not be an indicator here. Although there's also Mark Carney's endorsement for Labour. One wonders which other former Conservative MPs will endorse Labour at the GE? "Conservatives for Labour" may be a bit like Reagan Democrats at this election. Mark Carney is however a Canadian Liberal, so, not a Conservative in any case.
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Post by carolus on May 8, 2024 7:05:09 GMT
South Kesteven, Grantham St Vincents (2027). Patsy Ellis, Green to Independent (unaligned and not a political group on the Council). She is one of the Green candidates for the new town council ward of St Vincents on Thursday. Now a Grantham Independent.
Medway, Strood Rural (2027). Elizabeth Turpin, Independent Member to Independent Group. Had been elected as Conservative.
Hinckley & Bosworth, "Ratby, Bagworth & Thornton" (2027). CW Boothby, Conservative to Independent.
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Post by finsobruce on May 8, 2024 8:16:37 GMT
South Kesteven, Grantham St Vincents (2027). Patsy Ellis, Green to Independent (unaligned and not a political group on the Council). She is one of the Green candidates for the new town council ward of St Vincents on Thursday. Now a Grantham Independent.
Medway, Strood Rural (2027). Elizabeth Turpin, Independent Member to Independent Group. Had been elected as Conservative.
Hinckley & Bosworth, "Ratby, Bagworth & Thornton" (2027). CW Boothby, Conservative to Independent.
Another firm of lawyers straight out of Dickens.
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