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Post by CatholicLeft on Jun 7, 2021 12:49:57 GMT
Diane Forsythe is his daughter, she has quit the dup and she is mentioned in the article. It doesn't seem to mention that Kathryn Owen is his daughter. You are, of course, right. I got mixed up because his daughter had stood for election to Westminster.
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Post by timrollpickering on Jun 9, 2021 18:01:08 GMT
One for the "I didn't know he was still a member":
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Post by Chris from Brum on Jun 9, 2021 18:12:55 GMT
One for the "I didn't know he was still a member": Basically what I said when reacting to the news on Lib Dem Voice.
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Post by iang on Jun 9, 2021 19:50:30 GMT
One for the "I didn't know he was still a member": "Oh dear, how sad, never mind", as Windsor Davies used to say in that rather awful 70s sitcom
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Post by london(ex)tory on Jun 9, 2021 20:17:25 GMT
Not sure what’s more bizarre - Opik advising the Conservatives, or the Conservatives thinking there’s anything meaningful on which he could advise!
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jun 9, 2021 20:21:08 GMT
Not sure what’s more bizarre - Opik advising the Conservatives, or the Conservatives thinking there’s anything meaningful on which he could advise! I'd take some advice from him on pulling women
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Jun 9, 2021 21:32:56 GMT
Not sure what’s more bizarre - Opik advising the Conservatives, or the Conservatives thinking there’s anything meaningful on which he could advise! Presumably the Conservatives offered more £££ than Labour 🤣
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Post by obsie on Jun 10, 2021 4:22:25 GMT
Not sure what’s more bizarre - Opik advising the Conservatives, or the Conservatives thinking there’s anything meaningful on which he could advise! He did more than most to turn Montgomeryshire into a safe Tory seat, to be fair.
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Post by timrollpickering on Jun 10, 2021 9:55:03 GMT
Not sure what’s more bizarre - Opik advising the Conservatives, or the Conservatives thinking there’s anything meaningful on which he could advise! I'd take some advice from him on pulling women I'm not so sure. One of the weirdest nights of my night saw me wind up in a pub near Waterloo effectively serving as a relationship guidance counsellor to him. The moral of the story is that Conservative events should stock up properly on booze and not run out early leaving people to drift to pubs.
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Post by stash on Jun 14, 2021 21:44:56 GMT
Gurmukh "Mak" Singh (Spring Vale, Wolverhampton) has defected from Labour to the Conservatives, a month after his re-election. link
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Post by CatholicLeft on Jun 14, 2021 23:44:58 GMT
Gurmukh "Mak" Singh (Spring Vale, Wolverhampton) has defected from Labour to the Conservatives, a month after his re-election. linkThis case, for me, is one where it is unarguable that the defector should be forced to resign and fight a byelection. He defeated the Conservative candidate a month ago, with nearly 55% of the vote and then spits in the eye of the voters for personal ambition by joining the Conservative Party. It really is a failing in our political system that democracy is so flouted. I know the late marksenior would have a few choice words to say on the subject.
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Post by cj on Jun 14, 2021 23:59:17 GMT
Gurmukh "Mak" Singh (Spring Vale, Wolverhampton) has defected from Labour to the Conservatives, a month after his re-election. linkThis case, for me, is one where it is unarguable that the defector should be forced to resign and fight a byelection. He defeated the Conservative candidate a month ago, with nearly 55% of the vote and then spits in the eye of the voters for personal ambition by joining the Conservative Party. It really is a failing in our political system that democracy is so flouted. I know the late marksenior would have a few choice words to say on the subject. It does seem to take a special level of despicitability in a matter of weeks, out of years, to find ones values to no longer fit to such a degree that you not only can't support the Party you were elected as but indeed suddenly align with their opponents.
To have so little honour and/or regard for ones constituents where you claim to have felt increasingly disaligned with a parties objectives and values over a number of years that you did not decide to not seek re-election under their banner but a calendar page ago.
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Post by carlton43 on Jun 15, 2021 8:41:48 GMT
This case, for me, is one where it is unarguable that the defector should be forced to resign and fight a byelection. He defeated the Conservative candidate a month ago, with nearly 55% of the vote and then spits in the eye of the voters for personal ambition by joining the Conservative Party. It really is a failing in our political system that democracy is so flouted. I know the late marksenior would have a few choice words to say on the subject. It does seem to take a special level of despicitability in a matter of weeks, out of years, to find ones values to no longer fit to such a degree that you not only can't support the Party you were elected as but indeed suddenly align with their opponents.
To have so little honour and/or regard for ones constituents where you claim to have felt increasingly disaligned with a parties objectives and values over a number of years that you did not decide to not seek re-election under their banner but a calendar page ago.
Luckily for all you posting in this manner I set a low bar and a low penalty for arch hypocrisy. It does not worry me and I feel that many of you obsess about it too much. This bloke has changed his mind for some reason. Some of you suspect a venal reason; a career enhancing reason; a tactical reason? Perhaps? Even possibly? It happens. All parties suffer this. People flow in and out of the LDs as often as changing their underwear. Significant numbers of MPs did it in thought and act between 2016 and 2019, and during the great SDP reallignment. The whole point of party politics is to get out there (Chesham&Amersham, Hartlepool and Batley&Spen) to change minds, change votes and to 'convert' enough people to change so that 'your party' win. That is 'good', 'wholesome', 'honest' and 'decent'. That lower order of human, the voter, is 'permitted' to change, 'expected' to change, 'must' change! That is the system. That is how it works. But Woe Betide an actual insider, 'a player', doing so. No!! Never!! He is held to a higher order, a different standard, differing rules! Tut! Tut!! He cannot change, must not change, is evil for changing. The rules are different for him. Politics and change are not for him. The very ideas!!! Politics and change are for lesser people. Ephemeral people. Voter people who are our stock in trade. They may change. They must change. Indiders can never change. Horrible evil people. Got the idea yet? Realise how fuckwit stupid that makes you all seem? No! Of course you don't! You are politicians and have had the mind implant that renders you completely stupid. So go out today and canvass and hope and try to win people over. But lay off the paid up members and the elected officials. They are sacrosanct. They are special. They are off limits. It is just ordinary unwashed erks that may be approached and asked to change their mind. Because they are lesser and don't have a proper mind at all. They, the hoi polloi lesser beings are ripe for your message. They are fair game. Your utter hypocrites. So no change there then.
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Post by CatholicLeft on Jun 15, 2021 9:15:30 GMT
It does seem to take a special level of despicitability in a matter of weeks, out of years, to find ones values to no longer fit to such a degree that you not only can't support the Party you were elected as but indeed suddenly align with their opponents.
To have so little honour and/or regard for ones constituents where you claim to have felt increasingly disaligned with a parties objectives and values over a number of years that you did not decide to not seek re-election under their banner but a calendar page ago.
Luckily for all you posting in this manner I set a low bar and a low penalty for arch hypocrisy. It does not worry me and I feel that many of you obsess about it too much. This bloke has changed his mind for some reason. Some of you suspect a venal reason; a career enhancing reason; a tactical reason? Perhaps? Even possibly? It happens. All parties suffer this. People flow in and out of the LDs as often as changing their underwear. Significant numbers of MPs did it in thought and act between 2016 and 2019, and during the great SDP reallignment. The whole point of party politics is to get out there (Chesham&Amersham, Hartlepool and Batley&Spen) to change minds, change votes and to 'convert' enough people to change so that 'your party' win. That is 'good', 'wholesome', 'honest' and 'decent'. That lower order of human, the voter, is 'permitted' to change, 'expected' to change, 'must' change! That is the system. That is how it works. But Woe Betide an actual insider, 'a player', doing so. No!! Never!! He is held to a higher order, a different standard, differing rules! Tut! Tut!! He cannot change, must not change, is evil for changing. The rules are different for him. Politics and change are not for him. The very ideas!!! Politics and change are for lesser people. Ephemeral people. Voter people who are our stock in trade. They may change. They must change. Indiders can never change. Horrible evil people. Got the idea yet? Realise how fuckwit stupid that makes you all seem? No! Of course you don't! You are politicians and have had the mind implant that renders you completely stupid. So go out today and canvass and hope and try to win people over. But lay off the paid up members and the elected officials. They are sacrosanct. They are special. They are off limits. It is just ordinary unwashed erks that may be approached and asked to change their mind. Because they are lesser and don't have a proper mind at all. They, the hoi polloi lesser beings are ripe for your message. They are fair game. Your utter hypocrites. You utter cunts! So now change there then. 5 weeks ago he campaigned to do all the things you said, and then suddenly changed his mind? This isn't somebody 6 months or a year out of the election. As for hypocrisy, my view on defectors standing in by-elections has been consistent, even when faced with intemperate response, not that I would ever accuse you of such an approach.
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Post by Merseymike on Jun 15, 2021 9:22:30 GMT
He should not have stood again as a Labour candidate. I do not believe this was a sudden decision, and as he states very clearly that this view is one he has had for a while, he should have stood as a Conservative in May. I would have said exactly the same had he switched in the other direction, and I do think that there should always be a by election if someone switches parties, because people actually do, on the whole, vote for parties.
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Post by timmullen1 on Jun 15, 2021 9:25:16 GMT
Luckily for all you posting in this manner I set a low bar and a low penalty for arch hypocrisy. It does not worry me and I feel that many of you obsess about it too much. This bloke has changed his mind for some reason. Some of you suspect a venal reason; a career enhancing reason; a tactical reason? Perhaps? Even possibly? It happens. All parties suffer this. People flow in and out of the LDs as often as changing their underwear. Significant numbers of MPs did it in thought and act between 2016 and 2019, and during the great SDP reallignment. The whole point of party politics is to get out there (Chesham&Amersham, Hartlepool and Batley&Spen) to change minds, change votes and to 'convert' enough people to change so that 'your party' win. That is 'good', 'wholesome', 'honest' and 'decent'. That lower order of human, the voter, is 'permitted' to change, 'expected' to change, 'must' change! That is the system. That is how it works. But Woe Betide an actual insider, 'a player', doing so. No!! Never!! He is held to a higher order, a different standard, differing rules! Tut! Tut!! He cannot change, must not change, is evil for changing. The rules are different for him. Politics and change are not for him. The very ideas!!! Politics and change are for lesser people. Ephemeral people. Voter people who are our stock in trade. They may change. They must change. Indiders can never change. Horrible evil people. Got the idea yet? Realise how fuckwit stupid that makes you all seem? No! Of course you don't! You are politicians and have had the mind implant that renders you completely stupid. So go out today and canvass and hope and try to win people over. But lay off the paid up members and the elected officials. They are sacrosanct. They are special. They are off limits. It is just ordinary unwashed erks that may be approached and asked to change their mind. Because they are lesser and don't have a proper mind at all. They, the hoi polloi lesser beings are ripe for your message. They are fair game. Your utter hypocrites. You utter cunts! So now change there then. 5 weeks ago he campaigned to do all the things you said, and then suddenly changed his mind? This isn't somebody 6 months or a year out of the election. As for hypocrisy, my view on defectors standing in by-elections has been consistent, even when faced with intemperate response, not that I would ever accuse you of such an approach. C’mon, you know carlton43 is only posting his verbal diorrhea in order to get a response, don’t give him the pleasure. Just like attention seeking children, ignore him and he’ll go away for another few days.
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Post by raskolnikov on Jun 15, 2021 9:30:01 GMT
Is there actually something wrong with Charlton 43? Is he or she unhappy on a personal level? Quite sad that he chooses to use the kind of language that he or she does.
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Post by carlton43 on Jun 15, 2021 9:37:07 GMT
Luckily for all you posting in this manner I set a low bar and a low penalty for arch hypocrisy. It does not worry me and I feel that many of you obsess about it too much. This bloke has changed his mind for some reason. Some of you suspect a venal reason; a career enhancing reason; a tactical reason? Perhaps? Even possibly? It happens. All parties suffer this. People flow in and out of the LDs as often as changing their underwear. Significant numbers of MPs did it in thought and act between 2016 and 2019, and during the great SDP reallignment. The whole point of party politics is to get out there (Chesham&Amersham, Hartlepool and Batley&Spen) to change minds, change votes and to 'convert' enough people to change so that 'your party' win. That is 'good', 'wholesome', 'honest' and 'decent'. That lower order of human, the voter, is 'permitted' to change, 'expected' to change, 'must' change! That is the system. That is how it works. But Woe Betide an actual insider, 'a player', doing so. No!! Never!! He is held to a higher order, a different standard, differing rules! Tut! Tut!! He cannot change, must not change, is evil for changing. The rules are different for him. Politics and change are not for him. The very ideas!!! Politics and change are for lesser people. Ephemeral people. Voter people who are our stock in trade. They may change. They must change. Indiders can never change. Horrible evil people. Got the idea yet? Realise how fuckwit stupid that makes you all seem? No! Of course you don't! You are politicians and have had the mind implant that renders you completely stupid. So go out today and canvass and hope and try to win people over. But lay off the paid up members and the elected officials. They are sacrosanct. They are special. They are off limits. It is just ordinary unwashed erks that may be approached and asked to change their mind. Because they are lesser and don't have a proper mind at all. They, the hoi polloi lesser beings are ripe for your message. They are fair game. Your utter hypocrites. You utter cunts! So now change there then. 5 weeks ago he campaigned to do all the things you said, and then suddenly changed his mind? This isn't somebody 6 months or a year out of the election. As for hypocrisy, my view on defectors standing in by-elections has been consistent, even when faced with intemperate response, not that I would ever accuse you of such an approach. You are one of the Good Guys CL and I like you and that was intemperate and rude and directed at that whole attitude to politics and not at you 'the person'. However, you are owed an apology and I freely offer it to you. I am out of comfort and out of sorts over a number of personal and national issues. I let it spill this morning. I am over it now, possibly because I do that sort of thing? I write it out of my system and exercise my personal catharsis. I don't let things fester. I expunge them. I still feel that many of you are failing to note the dichotomy between that type of censorious view and the desire to convert on the doorstep? They are really quite incompatible. And I thought we elected a person as a representative? Not a coloured marker for a party on the chessboard. That same person is still there doing the same job to the same degree of care (or incompetence?) as before, about the same local problems and potholes and dog shit. Nothing has changed other than your annoyance. If you want to have a go at things, consider how the party chooses and vets and questions and trains and monitors its candidates! Lesson there for us all. I see no real harm other than internal party carelessness. Perhaps the party should leaflet the electors with an abject apology for putting him up? My main current worry is not incompetence (consider that to be a given) laziness (ditto) or quitting/defecting, it is the mindless support of destroying my whole way of life without a word of protest. Damn party loyalty. I want a bit of representation. No one seems to want to represent the total anti-Lockdowners.
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Post by carlton43 on Jun 15, 2021 9:42:23 GMT
Is there actually something wrong with Charlton 43? Is he or she unhappy on a personal level? Quite sad that he chooses to use the kind of language that he or she does.
No and you'll get used to his language.
If anything the opposite is true, carlton43 is settling into Sheffield fine and is quitely happy. Though quietly is a relative term, fo the cantankerous old git.
As the TV advert has it "Yes, She does!". You started so well with your post but I was disappointed with the conclusion. & cups of Assam later and she is feeling much better. (crosses legs and adjust stocking seams).
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Post by carlton43 on Jun 15, 2021 9:58:45 GMT
Is there actually something wrong with Charlton 43? Is he or she unhappy on a personal level? Quite sad that he chooses to use the kind of language that he or she does. Well now, Rodion, how are you this morning? What are you studying? And has my dear friend Porfiry been in touch with you lately? If you preface an avatar name with an @ and then write the avatar name out in lower case without gaps it should show up as intended. Of course you need to pay attention and get it right! I do not support a London club sarf of the river. I am a Gunner.
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