maxque
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Post by maxque on Mar 13, 2021 20:36:00 GMT
If that report is a fair summary then this seems like a major over-reaction by the LDs. The complaint should have been dropped the second the whiny lady ditched the party.
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Post by johnloony on Mar 14, 2021 15:33:40 GMT
At the Croydon council meeting on Monday 8th March it was announced that a group of 2 Independent councillors had been formed, but not announced who. I presume that this was a reference to Tony Newman and Simon Hall, who resigned on 10th March as councillors.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Mar 14, 2021 16:05:39 GMT
At the Croydon council meeting on Monday 8th March it was announced that a group of 2 Independent councillors had been formed, but not announced who. I presume that this was a reference to Tony Newman and Simon Hall, who resigned on 10th March as councillors. They were briefly shown as 'Independent Labour' on the council website.
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Post by tonygreaves on Mar 14, 2021 17:38:15 GMT
This saddens me more than a typical Green defection. There really ought to be a place for people who have concerns with aspects of the transgender rights agenda within the party. This is a problem for all the parties. It's the kind of thing which in the past would have been regarded as a "conscience issue" not a party issue and certainly not one which would affect party membership.(Except perhaps in the Tories for opposite reasons). But the rising tide of identity politics means that the campaigning identities in all parties have set out to take over their parties.
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Post by tonygreaves on Mar 14, 2021 17:42:11 GMT
I'm surprised she didn't join the Cliché Party Sounds like Slough Council consists of several factions of the Cliché party!
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Khunanup
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Post by Khunanup on Mar 14, 2021 18:48:20 GMT
This saddens me more than a typical Green defection. There really ought to be a place for people who have concerns with aspects of the transgender rights agenda within the party. This is a problem for all the parties. It's the kind of thing which in the past would have been regarded as a "conscience issue" not a party issue and certainly not one which would affect party membership.(Except perhaps in the Tories for opposite reasons). But the rising tide of identity politics means that the campaigning identities in all parties have set out to take over their parties. In reality though it's just a case of national parties turning blind eyes to shoddy behaviour by certain members of the party, and that's always gone on. Nowadays that might be strident or even bullying behaviour against those who take stances that are outside the party orthodoxy, in the past that might be ignoring clearly inappropriate behaviours by certain individuals in parties because of their long term contribution and therefore people thinking they owe them etc. At other times it can even have been out and out criminal behaviour that is excused. Political parties are made up of their members, all of them, and they should be even handed at all times. I fear though that it's a somewhat futile hope that blind-eyededness will ever be exercised from party hierarchy, it'll just shift and change depending on the prevailing winds of the day.
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zoe
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Post by zoe on Mar 16, 2021 5:49:10 GMT
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Post by Merseymike on Mar 16, 2021 7:06:48 GMT
This saddens me more than a typical Green defection. There really ought to be a place for people who have concerns with aspects of the transgender rights agenda within the party. This is a problem for all the parties. It's the kind of thing which in the past would have been regarded as a "conscience issue" not a party issue and certainly not one which would affect party membership.(Except perhaps in the Tories for opposite reasons). But the rising tide of identity politics means that the campaigning identities in all parties have set out to take over their parties. Lesbian and gay rights was regardedin that way too and it was used as justification for discriminatory laws. It's not down to conscience - it's basic equality.
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Post by owainsutton on Mar 16, 2021 10:42:33 GMT
Elected for Labour in 2019, left them at the start of this year.
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Pimpernal
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Post by Pimpernal on Mar 16, 2021 12:53:32 GMT
Michelle Swallow, elected for Labour in the Clayton and Fairweather Green ward of CBMCD in 2016 is showing as independent. I don’t know the circumstances And I didn’t realise that CBMCD was an anagram. An anagram of what??? It's not even an acronym...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2021 13:03:49 GMT
To thick to even be a councillor (yes, I know that is a low bar)
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Post by carlton43 on Mar 16, 2021 13:10:48 GMT
This is a problem for all the parties. It's the kind of thing which in the past would have been regarded as a "conscience issue" not a party issue and certainly not one which would affect party membership.(Except perhaps in the Tories for opposite reasons). But the rising tide of identity politics means that the campaigning identities in all parties have set out to take over their parties. Lesbian and gay rights was regardedin that way too and it was used as justification for discriminatory laws. It's not down to conscience - it's basic equality. Come, come, Mike! There are no 'basic equalities'. Basic to what? Equal to what? Decided by whom? The odd and slightly daft word 'Equality' is in every way abstract and relates to nothing at all when analysed.
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Post by Merseymike on Mar 16, 2021 13:14:24 GMT
Lesbian and gay rights was regardedin that way too and it was used as justification for discriminatory laws. It's not down to conscience - it's basic equality. Come, come, Mike! There are no 'basic equalities'. Basic to what? Equal to what? Decided by whom? The odd and slightly daft word 'Equality' is in every way abstract and relates to nothing at all when analysed. We have a fundamentally different view here, and I think there are basic equalities - that's why we have legislation to protect them. Those issues were always the main motivation for my political activity. And we were very successful.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Mar 16, 2021 13:26:57 GMT
Elected for Labour in 2019, left them at the start of this year. Edie and the New Bohemians!
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Post by johnloony on Mar 16, 2021 21:05:36 GMT
And I didn’t realise that CBMCD was an anagram. An anagram of what??? It's not even an acronym... CBMCD is an anagram of CBMDC, which is an acronym for Ity of Radford Etropolitan Istrict Ouncil.
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Post by No Offence Alan on Mar 16, 2021 22:10:42 GMT
An anagram of what??? It's not even an acronym... CBMCD is an anagram of CBMDC, which is an acronym for Ity of Radford Etropolitan Istrict Ouncil. I struggle with acronyms. I see LGBCE and my first thought is Lesbian Gay Bisexual Church of England.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Mar 16, 2021 23:00:20 GMT
CBMCD is an anagram of CBMDC, which is an acronym for Ity of Radford Etropolitan Istrict Ouncil. I struggle with acronyms. I see LGBCE and my first thought is Lesbian Gay Bisexual Church of England. Is that a tautology?
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sirbenjamin
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Post by sirbenjamin on Mar 16, 2021 23:15:58 GMT
I struggle with acronyms. I see LGBCE and my first thought is Lesbian Gay Bisexual Church of England. Is that a tautology? It's a tautological tautology.
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Post by carlton43 on Mar 17, 2021 0:16:05 GMT
CBMCD is an anagram of CBMDC, which is an acronym for Ity of Radford Etropolitan Istrict Ouncil. I struggle with acronyms. I see LGBCE and my first thought is Lesbian Gay Bisexual Church of England. Highly appropriate actually in that context.
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cibwr
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Post by cibwr on Mar 17, 2021 9:39:42 GMT
It's a tautological tautology. I was always told that the Church of England is made up of 1/3 gay, 1/3 dipsomaniac and 1/3 unaware of the other two thirds....
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