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Post by ricmk on Mar 6, 2021 18:01:21 GMT
Mark Pack is reporting that the Mayor of Derby, Frank Horwood (Ind) (previously Con) (and more previously Lib Dem) has joined the Lib Dems. What a stupid tool he must be. Bit harsh carlton43 he might be a bit nerdy and process obsessed at times but Mark Pack’s a good egg. Like gwynthegriff says there are others who have made that journey and it does make a bit of sense nationally, excited by Lib Dems in opposition against Labour, disappointed in Gvt, appalled by Corbyn, then put off by the loyalty cult around Boris the mandatory embracing of Brexit and the general demeaning of standards in public life that Boris embraces. But that may have very little to do with Derby!
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Post by finsobruce on Mar 6, 2021 18:02:36 GMT
Is Reform Derby actually Reform? I know we've discussed them before on here. I think basically not but it's a slightly complicated situation. A group of councillors elected as Ukip switched to the Brexit Party and then last summer they set up a "Reform Derby" group and registered as a party. This was before the Brexit Party nationally applied to change its registered name. "Reform Derby and Reform UK" is a proposed joint description submitted by the two parties that suggests at least some agreement between them but that could be anything from accepting them as the local branch (which adds to the confusion of how the party is structured) to some agreement to have joint candidates that may have been the price for Reform UK to get the registration accepted. I do hope they end up standing candidates against each other (only to make the prediction competition interesting you understand).
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Post by carlton43 on Mar 6, 2021 19:08:09 GMT
What a stupid tool he must be. Bit harsh carlton43 he might be a bit nerdy and process obsessed at times but Mark Pack’s a good egg. Like gwynthegriff says there are others who have made that journey and it does make a bit of sense nationally, excited by Lib Dems in opposition against Labour, disappointed in Gvt, appalled by Corbyn, then put off by the loyalty cult around Boris the mandatory embracing of Brexit and the general demeaning of standards in public life that Boris embraces. But that may have very little to do with Derby! Yes. Well put.
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Post by london(ex)tory on Mar 6, 2021 21:30:13 GMT
I think basically not but it's a slightly complicated situation. A group of councillors elected as Ukip switched to the Brexit Party and then last summer they set up a "Reform Derby" group and registered as a party. This was before the Brexit Party nationally applied to change its registered name. "Reform Derby and Reform UK" is a proposed joint description submitted by the two parties that suggests at least some agreement between them but that could be anything from accepting them as the local branch (which adds to the confusion of how the party is structured) to some agreement to have joint candidates that may have been the price for Reform UK to get the registration accepted. I do hope they end up standing candidates against each other (only to make the prediction competition interesting you understand). My understanding is that Derby Cllr Alan Graves is Reform UK’s nominating officer so I think that particular scenario unlikely to happen...
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Post by finsobruce on Mar 6, 2021 22:38:04 GMT
I do hope they end up standing candidates against each other (only to make the prediction competition interesting you understand). My understanding is that Derby Cllr Alan Graves is Reform UK’s nominating officer so I think that particular scenario unlikely to happen... Oh, you say that now...
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Post by neilm on Mar 6, 2021 23:17:35 GMT
I do hope they end up standing candidates against each other (only to make the prediction competition interesting you understand). My understanding is that Derby Cllr Alan Graves is Reform UK’s nominating officer so I think that particular scenario unlikely to happen... For all we know, he might now be the leader!
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Post by peterl on Mar 7, 2021 8:39:19 GMT
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Post by The Bishop on Mar 7, 2021 11:55:28 GMT
Second defection of the day in Doncaster as Cllr Nikki McDonald resigns from the Labour Party (Town ward, Doncaster MBC - this is the same ward represented by former ASLEF president and Corbyn ally Tosh McDonald) She will sit as an independent for the remainder of her term. According to this tweet she cited Keir Starmer and Angela Rayner as one of the reasons for her resignation. I have never understood why people feel the need to issue lengthy self-justifying screeds when they switch their political allegiance. (and yes, this also happened under the previous Labour leadership) If you feel you have to go, go - but don't act as if you are far more important than you actually are.
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Post by Merseymike on Mar 7, 2021 11:57:51 GMT
Second defection of the day in Doncaster as Cllr Nikki McDonald resigns from the Labour Party (Town ward, Doncaster MBC - this is the same ward represented by former ASLEF president and Corbyn ally Tosh McDonald) She will sit as an independent for the remainder of her term. According to this tweet she cited Keir Starmer and Angela Rayner as one of the reasons for her resignation. I have never understood why people feel the need to issue lengthy self-justifying screeds when they switch their political allegiance. (and yes, this also happened under the previous Labour leadership) If you feel you have to go, go - but don't act as if you are far more important than you actually are. I think those who voted for her have a right to know and this would have at one time been something the local paper would cover. But the decline of the local press makes this less easy and as Twitter appears to be the chosen mode of communication....I can't see a problem explaining why you have left, though.
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Post by bungle on Mar 7, 2021 15:04:09 GMT
It is all happening in Derby. Richard Hudson and James Testro (Derwent Ward) are to leave the Conservative group and sit as Independents, after Hudson was suspended seemingly because of a row about the election count being held in the Derby Arena Velodrome which is currently in daily use as a vaccination centre. www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/news/derby-news/suspended-derby-councillor-vows-quit-5082311Hudson is due for re-election in May. He will stand again as an Independent and could well be re-elected as he clearly has a strong personal vote. Like Mayor Harwood, he has defection history. He was a Lib Dem up until 2014 and built up noticeable support over 3 years in a ward with no Lib Dem history. Once he stood as a Conservative pretty much all of that support went with him and in 2016 he won by 3 votes over Labour. His legwork was important in helping to prise open the ward as a viable target for the Tories. The ward has now elected Conservative councillors in 2016, 2018 and 2019 but shortly they will have zero representatives as Steve Willoughby already defected to the Lib Dems in 2019 over Brexit. Derby...welcome to the new Stoke!
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Post by matureleft on Mar 7, 2021 16:52:29 GMT
It is all happening in Derby. Richard Hudson and James Testro (Derwent Ward) are to leave the Conservative group and sit as Independents, after Hudson was suspended seemingly because of a row about the election count being held in the Derby Arena Velodrome which is currently in daily use as a vaccination centre. www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/news/derby-news/suspended-derby-councillor-vows-quit-5082311Hudson is due for re-election in May. He will stand again as an Independent and could well be re-elected as he clearly has a strong personal vote. Like Mayor Harwood, he has defection history. He was a Lib Dem up until 2014 and built up noticeable support over 3 years in a ward with no Lib Dem history. Once he stood as a Conservative pretty much all of that support went with him and in 2016 he won by 3 votes over Labour. His legwork was important in helping to prise open the ward as a viable target for the Tories. The ward has now elected Conservative councillors in 2016, 2018 and 2019 but shortly they will have zero representatives as Steve Willoughby already defected to the Lib Dems in 2019 over Brexit. Derby...welcome to the new Stoke! Bizarre, but Derby politics has had space for this kind of thing for a while now, with some support from the electorate.
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Post by 🏴☠️ Neath West 🏴☠️ on Mar 7, 2021 17:14:17 GMT
Typical Beeboids running to the Separatists for a comment on this, but on this occasion, their leader has a good point:
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Post by neilm on Mar 7, 2021 17:28:09 GMT
Typical Beeboids running to the Separatists for a comment on this, but on this occasion, their leader has a good point: Fancy anyone thinking that councils in South Wales aren't 100% above board with how they dish out money. I am shocked that anyone could suggest such a thing.
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Post by Crimson King on Mar 7, 2021 23:32:54 GMT
Michelle Swallow, elected for Labour in the Clayton and Fairweather Green ward of CBMDC in 2016 is showing as independent. I don’t know the circumstances
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Post by Merseymike on Mar 7, 2021 23:46:47 GMT
Michelle Swallow, elected for Labour in the Clayton and Fairweather Green ward of CBMCD in 2016 is showing as independent. I don’t know the circumstances Looking at the dates, deselection
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Post by casualobserver on Mar 7, 2021 23:50:31 GMT
Michelle Swallow, elected for Labour in the Clayton and Fairweather Green ward of CBMCD in 2016 is showing as independent. I don’t know the circumstances I’m ashamed not to have recognised the Ward name. And I didn’t realise that CBMCD was an anagram. Was I alone in having to google this one?
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Post by Foggy on Mar 8, 2021 5:11:08 GMT
Michelle Swallow, elected for Labour in the Clayton and Fairweather Green ward of CBMCD in 2016 is showing as independent. I don’t know the circumstances I’m ashamed not to have recognised the Ward name. And I didn’t realise that CBMCD was an anagram. Was I alone in having to google this one? You were not. Do keep in mind that the post was made by a GP who sometimes appears to type as he writes.
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Post by John Chanin on Mar 8, 2021 8:34:09 GMT
I’m ashamed not to have recognised the Ward name. And I didn’t realise that CBMCD was an anagram. Was I alone in having to google this one? You were not. Do keep in mind that the post was made by a GP who sometimes appears to type as he writes. I had to google it too, and for the benefit of everyone else it is Bradford, as might be expected from Crimson King . What a convoluted anagram. Do people in Bradford really use this?
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Post by Crimson King on Mar 8, 2021 8:48:37 GMT
You were not. Do keep in mind that the post was made by a GP who sometimes appears to type as he writes. I had to google it too, and for the benefit of everyone else it is Bradford, as might be expected from Crimson King . What a convoluted anagram. Do people in Bradford really use this? Oops, sorry - the perils of late night typing in bed (I should make it clear that as it is lent alcohol was not involved) It is now an acronym rather than an anagram
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Post by froome on Mar 8, 2021 9:18:44 GMT
I had to google it too, and for the benefit of everyone else it is Bradford, as might be expected from Crimson King . What a convoluted anagram. Do people in Bradford really use this? Oops, sorry - the perils of late night typing in bed (I should make it clear that as it is lent alcohol was not involved) It is now an acronym rather than an anagram It was not calling it The Jewel which threw me.
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