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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Mar 3, 2021 19:02:54 GMT
There have been strong rumours for the last few weeks that he had been deselected by the Tories. Ah, the environmental wing of the Councillor Party!
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Post by syorkssocialist on Mar 3, 2021 19:24:49 GMT
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Post by finsobruce on Mar 3, 2021 20:35:30 GMT
So by defecting he has called their Bluff.
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Post by ricmk on Mar 5, 2021 22:33:11 GMT
Mark Pack is reporting that the Mayor of Derby, Frank Horwood (Ind) (previously Con) (and more previously Lib Dem) has joined the Lib Dems.
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Post by carlton43 on Mar 5, 2021 23:08:10 GMT
Mark Pack is reporting that the Mayor of Derby, Frank Horwood (Ind) (previously Con) (and more previously Lib Dem) has joined the Lib Dems. What a stupid tool he must be.
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Post by bigfatron on Mar 6, 2021 10:57:41 GMT
Mark Pack is reporting that the Mayor of Derby, Frank Horwood (Ind) (previously Con) (and more previously Lib Dem) has joined the Lib Dems. What a stupid tool he must be. Don't stress about it Carlton, not all of us can be quite as clever, talented and witty as you ;-)
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Post by European Lefty on Mar 6, 2021 11:11:13 GMT
What a stupid tool he must be. Don't stress about it Carlton, not all of us can be quite as clever, talented and witty as you ;-) Well, not unless we were dropped on our heads at birth
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Post by timmullen1 on Mar 6, 2021 11:18:00 GMT
Don't stress about it Carlton, not all of us can be quite as clever, talented and witty as you ;-) Well, not unless we were dropped on our heads at birth That fractured skull I suffered during birth must be the reason Carlton’s intelligence, talent and wit passed me by.
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Post by tonyhill on Mar 6, 2021 11:36:41 GMT
I can understand Councillors leaving the party they were elected for and becoming Independents or joining another party: this has been discussed on numerous occasions in the last 527 pages. Re-ratting is somewhat more problematic though: it's like leaving your second wife for your first one. It suggests a lack of understanding of political ideology, which I accept is not necessarily something that motivates everyone who stands for elected office, but surely ought to at least an element in their decision to join a particular party. I am generally very suspicious of people who re-rat.
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Post by finsobruce on Mar 6, 2021 11:38:00 GMT
I can understand Councillors leaving the party they were elected for and becoming Independents or joining another party: this has been discussed on numerous occasions in the last 527 pages. Re-ratting is somewhat more problematic though: it's like leaving your second wife for your first one. It suggests a lack of understanding of political ideology, which I accept is not necessarily something that motivates everyone who stands for elected office, but surely ought to at least an element in their decision to join a particular party. I am generally very suspicious of people who re-rat. "No party big enough to hold them".
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Post by london(ex)tory on Mar 6, 2021 12:29:33 GMT
I can understand Councillors leaving the party they were elected for and becoming Independents or joining another party: this has been discussed on numerous occasions in the last 527 pages. Re-ratting is somewhat more problematic though: it's like leaving your second wife for your first one. It suggests a lack of understanding of political ideology, which I accept is not necessarily something that motivates everyone who stands for elected office, but surely ought to at least an element in their decision to join a particular party. I am generally very suspicious of people who re-rat. At some point in the future I hope to be able to rejoin the Conservative Party but they’ll need to stop embarking on catastrophic economic self harm first.
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Post by peterl on Mar 6, 2021 12:47:02 GMT
One explanation could be the changes in ideology of particularly the major parties over the years. Labour used to be a socialist party, then it was much more centerist under Blair, then slightly on the left, then very left again, now back to the center. The Tories were actually conservative and are now basically centerists for the most part. So I can understand people switching parties following a change in leadership for instance. I could see someone joining Labour under Blair, leaving under Corbyn and rejoining when Starmer became leader as an example. But a councillor elected for a particular party should have a greater commitment, at least for their term of office.
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Post by lackeroftalent on Mar 6, 2021 12:49:13 GMT
Frank Horwood is mainly the Oakwood Party and has been elected previously as Lib Dem, independent (no never won as Indy but has stood) and Conservative! He will win re-election whoever he stands for. He doesn't really fit well in either the Lib Dems or the Tories. I could easily have imagined he would wind up joining Reform.
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Post by Jamie #LD #FBPE He/Him on Mar 6, 2021 13:04:09 GMT
Don't stress about it Carlton, not all of us can be quite as clever, talented and witty as you ;-) Well, not unless we were dropped on our heads at birth At least twice
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Post by gwynthegriff on Mar 6, 2021 13:09:23 GMT
I can understand Councillors leaving the party they were elected for and becoming Independents or joining another party: this has been discussed on numerous occasions in the last 527 pages. Re-ratting is somewhat more problematic though: it's like leaving your second wife for your first one. It suggests a lack of understanding of political ideology, which I accept is not necessarily something that motivates everyone who stands for elected office, but surely ought to at least an element in their decision to join a particular party. I am generally very suspicious of people who re-rat. I know of several people who left the Lib Dems during the coalition but have since rejoined. I don't agree with their logic, but accept there is some logic to it.
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Post by Jamie #LD #FBPE He/Him on Mar 6, 2021 13:14:08 GMT
Political parties regularly change as do people. I can understand a certain degree of drift especially if you don’t view parties as football teams to support no matter what but vehicles for change.
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Post by polupolu on Mar 6, 2021 15:50:25 GMT
Churchill famously "re-ratted" (as I think he himself called it).
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Post by carlton43 on Mar 6, 2021 15:51:10 GMT
What a stupid tool he must be. Don't stress about it Carlton, not all of us can be quite as clever, talented and witty as you ;-) Yes! Ain't that the truth writ big. But I don't stress about such things.
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Post by neilm on Mar 6, 2021 17:28:46 GMT
Frank Horwood is mainly the Oakwood Party and has been elected previously as Lib Dem, independent (no never won as Indy but has stood) and Conservative! He will win re-election whoever he stands for. He doesn't really fit well in either the Lib Dems or the Tories. I could easily have imagined he would wind up joining Reform. Is Reform Derby actually Reform? I know we've discussed them before on here.
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Post by timrollpickering on Mar 6, 2021 18:00:57 GMT
Is Reform Derby actually Reform? I know we've discussed them before on here. I think basically not but it's a slightly complicated situation. A group of councillors elected as Ukip switched to the Brexit Party and then last summer they set up a "Reform Derby" group and registered as a party. This was before the Brexit Party nationally applied to change its registered name. "Reform Derby and Reform UK" is a proposed joint description submitted by the two parties that suggests at least some agreement between them but that could be anything from accepting them as the local branch (which adds to the confusion of how the party is structured) to some agreement to have joint candidates that may have been the price for Reform UK to get the registration accepted.
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