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Post by tonygreaves on May 24, 2020 19:12:54 GMT
Leigh Wilson and Alistair Bews, SNP to Aberdeenshire Deserves Better. Am I the only person who reads something like: “Joe Bloggs - Grottown Deserves better” and wonders what’s so bad about poor Joe that he advertises that he’s not up to the job? “Liberal Democrats - Demand Better” also pretty close to the cliff edge on that one as well. But no - one else seems to read it like I do? I think even the people who purport to run the party have given up on that nonsense now.
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Post by neilm on May 24, 2020 22:44:30 GMT
the problem Starmer has is his coalition of supporters inside the party include Paul Mason and David Boothroyd. His leadership campaign was about not deviating significantly from Corbynism to convince the Paul Masons to vote for him but enough to reassure the David Boothroyds too. Which is why he signed a pledge to renationalise rail, mail, water, energy and broadband, and at the same time condemned the 2019 manifesto with all these things as too many big spending pledges. Someone is going to be disappointed Not necessarily. It may turn out that the worldviews of Mr Mason and Mr Boothroyd are quite compatible and that the factionalist pantomime of recent years has obscured the real ideological and policy divides in the party. And what are the real divides?
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Post by Khunanup on May 25, 2020 2:48:10 GMT
There's a Labour room but those who describe themselves as "Socialist" and not "Labour" are not in it. There was a proposal to open it up though not that long ago which was well received by Labour members on here so that's why I posed it as a question. The basic premise remains though, can you please keep your internal party squabbling in your own room without, grimly entertaining as it is, disfiguring the board in random threads on a regular basis.
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Post by neilm on May 25, 2020 9:08:08 GMT
There's a Labour room but those who describe themselves as "Socialist" and not "Labour" are not in it. There was a proposal to open it up though not that long ago which was well received by Labour members on here so that's why I posed it as a question. The basic premise remains though, can you please keep your internal party squabbling in your own room without, grimly entertaining as it is, disfiguring the board in random threads on a regular basis. I quite like watching the internal Labour squabbling.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2020 10:10:37 GMT
Not a defection as such but I noticed this from a former Tory MP -
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Post by ricmk on May 25, 2020 10:31:09 GMT
There was a proposal to open it up though not that long ago which was well received by Labour members on here so that's why I posed it as a question. The basic premise remains though, can you please keep your internal party squabbling in your own room without, grimly entertaining as it is, disfiguring the board in random threads on a regular basis. I quite like watching the internal Labour squabbling. It’s the nearest thing we have to live competitive sport at the moment.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on May 25, 2020 12:56:17 GMT
Not a defection as such but I noticed this from a former Tory MP - Good riddance (though his replacement in North Dorset is no improvement)
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Post by Richard Allen on May 25, 2020 13:02:16 GMT
Not a defection as such but I noticed this from a former Tory MP - Pro-European wet. I am surprised he hadn't already jumped ship.
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Post by timmullen1 on May 25, 2020 13:14:06 GMT
Not a defection as such but I noticed this from a former Tory MP - Pro-European wet. I am surprised he hadn't already jumped ship. Not a defection as such but I noticed this from a former Tory MP - Pro-European wet. I am surprised he hadn't already jumped ship. Holding out for a Peerage upon the conclusion of his Presidency of the European Security and Defence Association?
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Post by timrollpickering on May 25, 2020 13:19:15 GMT
Well one point against him is his failure to set up a standing order for his membership. The party took a long time to get its act together on direct debits/standing orders/automatic renewals but MPs (and councillors and party officers) could have helped a lot by setting up automatic payments rather than adding to the list of people to chase each year.
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Post by Merseymike on May 25, 2020 13:59:10 GMT
Well one point against him is his failure to set up a standing order for his membership. The party took a long time to get its act together on direct debits/standing orders/automatic renewals but MPs (and councillors and party officers) could have helped a lot by setting up automatic payments rather than adding to the list of people to chase each year. Its compulsory for Labour councillors and MP's. To the Labour, not the Conservative party, obviously!
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2020 14:14:22 GMT
I think its one of the few direct debits i have
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Post by timmullen1 on May 25, 2020 14:50:40 GMT
that's true but it doesn't apply to ordinary members. One member of my household has declined to set one up but remains a party member. I haven’t been Secretary for 18 years but still get a cheque anytime now from a member who uses the same care company as me. Unfortunately a stroke badly affected her memory so I can’t ascertain whether she qualifies for free membership for over 50 years membership.
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Post by carlton43 on May 25, 2020 16:05:49 GMT
Not a defection as such but I noticed this from a former Tory MP - Good riddance (though his replacement in North Dorset is no improvement) Soaking Wet, entirely thick, Europhile plonker. Thank Woden to see the back of him.
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Post by neilm on May 25, 2020 16:17:30 GMT
I've mentioned Bob Walter before as being a very anonymous backbencher, to the extent that even other Tory MPs had never heard of him: given that he was one of the 165 elected in 1997 that's something of an achievement.
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Post by neilm on May 25, 2020 16:24:14 GMT
Pro-European wet. I am surprised he hadn't already jumped ship. Pro-European wet. I am surprised he hadn't already jumped ship. Holding out for a Peerage upon the conclusion of his Presidency of the European Security and Defence Association? I wondered what that was (presumably you saw it on his Twitter profile as well) but having checked his bio have come to the conclusion that it's actually the European Security and Defence Assembly, formerly the WEU. Which doesn't exist anymore. Maybe it's a trade body but I can't find it on Google.
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Post by timmullen1 on May 25, 2020 17:01:49 GMT
Holding out for a Peerage upon the conclusion of his Presidency of the European Security and Defence Association? I wondered what that was (presumably you saw it on his Twitter profile as well) but having checked his bio have come to the conclusion that it's actually the European Security and Defence Assembly, formerly the WEU. Which doesn't exist anymore. Maybe it's a trade body but I can't find it on Google. Yes I did get it from his Twitter bio, but his Wikipedia entry probably shoots down my theory anyway as it says since 2015 he’s taken out joint Turkish citizenship.
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Post by neilm on May 25, 2020 17:15:48 GMT
I wondered what that was (presumably you saw it on his Twitter profile as well) but having checked his bio have come to the conclusion that it's actually the European Security and Defence Assembly, formerly the WEU. Which doesn't exist anymore. Maybe it's a trade body but I can't find it on Google. Yes I did get it from his Twitter bio, but his Wikipedia entry probably shoots down my theory anyway as it says since 2015 he’s taken out joint Turkish citizenship. An odd move. Maybe he's lobbying for Erdogan.
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Post by Khunanup on May 25, 2020 17:45:57 GMT
There was a proposal to open it up though not that long ago which was well received by Labour members on here so that's why I posed it as a question. The basic premise remains though, can you please keep your internal party squabbling in your own room without, grimly entertaining as it is, disfiguring the board in random threads on a regular basis. I quite like watching the internal Labour squabbling. Hmmm, perhaps it needs a thread of it's own then that any posts on any other thread can be unilaterally moved to...
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Post by timmullen1 on May 25, 2020 19:14:50 GMT
Holding out for a Peerage upon the conclusion of his Presidency of the European Security and Defence Association? I wondered what that was (presumably you saw it on his Twitter profile as well) but having checked his bio have come to the conclusion that it's actually the European Security and Defence Assembly, formerly the WEU. Which doesn't exist anymore. Maybe it's a trade body but I can't find it on Google. Holding out for a Peerage upon the conclusion of his Presidency of the European Security and Defence Association? I wondered what that was (presumably you saw it on his Twitter profile as well) but having checked his bio have come to the conclusion that it's actually the European Security and Defence Assembly, formerly the WEU. Which doesn't exist anymore. Maybe it's a trade body but I can't find it on Google. He’s retweeting stuff from @esdadefence, which calls itself the European Security and Defence Agency, but only joined Twitter in April, so a relaunched organisation perhaps (there’s no website in their profile)? Re Turkey, if he’s lobbying it’s not obvious, the only mention I could find was a retweet of the UN announcing the Turkish Permanent Representative had been elected Chair of this year’s General Assemblies. The recent rest is very critical of today’s Tory Party, and VE Day related.
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