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Post by andrew111 on Nov 1, 2018 9:09:52 GMT
I went to help in Denby Dale on Sunday. What was notable were the large number of posters for Conservatives, Labour and ourselves. No sign of any activity from the Greens. Yes, but what you have to remember is that in Kirklees posters are put on lamp posts, and as I was told when I moved here "lamp posts don't vote!" This by-election is important for Labour since if they can win, then the already rather slender chance of them losing control of the Council next May disappears. I would expect the Tories to win thanks to the postal vote, but the Lib Dems mounting their first campaign for many years is an unknown factor in terms of who might lose a few votes to them... I am pretty sure this will count on Friday morning since the full locals do these days |
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Post by andrew111 on Nov 1, 2018 9:13:27 GMT
I've never understood why Dodington ward isn't called Yate South, which would describe it perfectly and fit with the other 2 Yate wards, rather than confusing us with the name of a village a little way to its south. As well as being very little known, as Andrew says (and I'm pleased to see him mentioning some of its past industrial importance), it must also rank as one of the most heavily dominated Lib Dem towns in the country. I once knew a Labour activist here, and his bewilderment and frustration of his home town's politics was palpable. Labour activists are always bewildered if they lose to Lib Dems (or Greens). It is as if the sun set in the east or something |
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Post by finsobruce on Nov 1, 2018 9:23:08 GMT
I've never understood why Dodington ward isn't called Yate South, which would describe it perfectly and fit with the other 2 Yate wards, rather than confusing us with the name of a village a little way to its south. As well as being very little known, as Andrew says (and I'm pleased to see him mentioning some of its past industrial importance), it must also rank as one of the most heavily dominated Lib Dem towns in the country. I once knew a Labour activist here, and his bewilderment and frustration of his home town's politics was palpable. Labour activists are always bewildered if they lose to Lib Dems (or Greens). It is as if the sun set in the east or something If Tony Benn said the sun set in the east, then it bloody well sets in the east. 
Although it is a generalisation, Lib dems are accustomed to making progress over years by use of the pothole, the two horse race and the misleading barchart. A lot of Labour activists think that belief in itself is enough - election by faith alone so to speak.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2018 9:45:49 GMT
I've never understood why Dodington ward isn't called Yate South, which would describe it perfectly and fit with the other 2 Yate wards, rather than confusing us with the name of a village a little way to its south. As well as being very little known, as Andrew says (and I'm pleased to see him mentioning some of its past industrial importance), it must also rank as one of the most heavily dominated Lib Dem towns in the country. I once knew a Labour activist here, and his bewilderment and frustration of his home town's politics was palpable. Labour activists are always bewildered if they lose to Lib Dems (or Greens). It is as if the sun set in the east or something if a labour activist doesn't understand why we lost to the Lib Dems or Greens then they should cone canvassing with me. Many a voter I've met has been lied to by Sandy Walkington |
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Post by finsobruce on Nov 1, 2018 9:52:15 GMT
Labour activists are always bewildered if they lose to Lib Dems (or Greens). It is as if the sun set in the east or something if a labour activist doesn't understand why we lost to the Lib Dems or Greens then they should cone canvassing with me. Many a voter I've met has been lied to by Sandy Walkington careful now pod.
You might want to rephrase that - "has been given a unique version of events by Mr Walkington" perhaps. |
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Post by lbarnes on Nov 1, 2018 10:41:40 GMT
Labour activists are always bewildered if they lose to Lib Dems (or Greens). It is as if the sun set in the east or something if a labour activist doesn't understand why we lost to the Lib Dems or Greens then they should cone canvassing with me. Many a voter I've met has been lied to by Sandy Walkington Name 6. |
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Post by yellowperil on Nov 1, 2018 13:37:18 GMT
if a labour activist doesn't understand why we lost to the Lib Dems or Greens then they should cone canvassing with me. Many a voter I've met has been lied to by Sandy Walkington Name 6. or maybe not.... the warning from finso is apt. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2018 15:54:18 GMT
if a labour activist doesn't understand why we lost to the Lib Dems or Greens then they should cone canvassing with me. Many a voter I've met has been lied to by Sandy Walkington Name 6. I went to school with 3 who could vote for the first time in 2010. 1 would still vote for Sandy today and 1 won't vote anymore. I spoke to 1 who wanted a bin and Sandy promised him a bin. No bin. We spoke to another long time labour voter voted for Sandy after he told him all these wonderful things hed done which he completely made up. The 6th thought Sandy was a girl |
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Post by tonyhill on Nov 1, 2018 17:16:40 GMT
We were sued by a Labour candidate (who was not named) because we put out a leaflet talking about "Labour lies". His argument was that he was known by everyone as being the local Labour man. This, in my view, was a bullshit argument, but the laws of libel being what they are the advantage is always with the person who initiates the action, and we caved in. Naming someone as a liar is a very, very bad idea.
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Post by ideal4radio on Nov 1, 2018 18:14:10 GMT
We were sued by a Labour candidate (who was not named) because we put out a leaflet talking about "Labour lies". His argument was that he was known by everyone as being the local Labour man. This, in my view, was a bullshit argument, but the laws of libel being what they are the advantage is always with the person who initiates the action, and we caved in. Naming someone as a liar is a very, very bad idea. Wise words, I fancy ..
A spot of advice from Sir Humphrey Appleby may be required , " Mr XXX's recollection of the facts in question, do not altogether ring true ", " The Candidate appears to have a different interpretation of the situation than most of us ", or merely rename lies as " Unfulfilled promises ", " Failure to carry out their manifesto "... etc
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2018 18:17:01 GMT
Dr Who, Gandhi, J K Rowling and a quote from Half Man Half Biscuit. Another fine set of previews. There's another JK Rowling connection in a couple of weeks. She's slightly less popular with us in Dursley though! |
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Post by andrew111 on Nov 1, 2018 22:04:28 GMT
Labour activists are always bewildered if they lose to Lib Dems (or Greens). It is as if the sun set in the east or something If Tony Benn said the sun set in the east, then it bloody well sets in the east.
Although it is a generalisation, Lib dems are accustomed to making progress over years by use of the pothole, the two horse race and the misleading barchart. A lot of Labour activists think that belief in itself is enough - election by faith alone so to speak.
The more usual reason is that Lib Dem councillors work a lot harder at communicating with people (mainly because they have to, since the votes do not just fall out of the sky without effort as they do for Labour). Put it down to dodgy bar charts if you like though |
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Post by finsobruce on Nov 1, 2018 22:17:40 GMT
If Tony Benn said the sun set in the east, then it bloody well sets in the east.
Although it is a generalisation, Lib dems are accustomed to making progress over years by use of the pothole, the two horse race and the misleading barchart. A lot of Labour activists think that belief in itself is enough - election by faith alone so to speak.
The more usual reason is that Lib Dem councillors work a lot harder at communicating with people (mainly because they have to, since the votes do not just fall out of the sky without effort as they do for Labour). Put it down to dodgy bar charts if you like though I think you'll find that's what i said, just in my usual tongue in cheek merry quip sort of way. |
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Post by Foggy on Nov 1, 2018 22:28:50 GMT
Dr Who, Gandhi, J K Rowling and a quote from Half Man Half Biscuit. Another fine set of previews. I object to the description of Yate as a town "you've probably never heard of."  How can anyone mention Emley without alluding to the men's FA Cup run by that town's football club 21 seasons ago? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2018 22:31:28 GMT
Dr Who, Gandhi, J K Rowling and a quote from Half Man Half Biscuit. Another fine set of previews. How can anyone mention Emley without alluding to the men's FA Cup run by that town's football club 21 seasons ago? I've heard of Yate. It's that ugly station on the way to Bristol, isn't it? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2018 22:32:09 GMT
If Tony Benn said the sun set in the east, then it bloody well sets in the east.
Although it is a generalisation, Lib dems are accustomed to making progress over years by use of the pothole, the two horse race and the misleading barchart. A lot of Labour activists think that belief in itself is enough - election by faith alone so to speak.
The more usual reason is that Lib Dem councillors work a lot harder at communicating with people (mainly because they have to, since the votes do not just fall out of the sky without effort as they do for Labour). Put it down to dodgy bar charts if you like though not sure we'll agree on that. There are some brillant lib dem councillors just like there are some brillant councillors in the tories, labour and the greens. They all have their fair share of workshy dossers. It certainly has never been the case in my experience that one party has a significantly harder working group of councillors better on message. |
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Post by andrew111 on Nov 1, 2018 22:33:27 GMT
If Tony Benn said the sun set in the east, then it bloody well sets in the east.
Although it is a generalisation, Lib dems are accustomed to making progress over years by use of the pothole, the two horse race and the misleading barchart. A lot of Labour activists think that belief in itself is enough - election by faith alone so to speak.
The more usual reason is that Lib Dem councillors work a lot harder at communicating with people (mainly because they have to, since the votes do not just fall out of the sky without effort as they do for Labour). Put it down to dodgy bar charts if you like though well, I agree about the faith bit.. And of course most of the time it works fine... Especially in general elections
Lib Dems are always defying gravity
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Post by andrew111 on Nov 1, 2018 22:37:27 GMT
The more usual reason is that Lib Dem councillors work a lot harder at communicating with people (mainly because they have to, since the votes do not just fall out of the sky without effort as they do for Labour). Put it down to dodgy bar charts if you like though not sure we'll agree on that. There are some brillant lib dem councillors just like there are some brillant councillors in the tories, labour and the greens. They all have their fair share of workshy dossers. It certainly has never been the case in my experience that one party has a significantly harder working group of councillors better on message. If Lib Dem councillor does not work hard with the voters he or she does not get re-elected. I am not saying they are any more effective at council business of course. All political parties only really work in marginal seats (at either local or national level), but all seats they hold are marginal for the Lib Dems. |
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Post by finsobruce on Nov 1, 2018 22:42:12 GMT
Dr Who, Gandhi, J K Rowling and a quote from Half Man Half Biscuit. Another fine set of previews. I object to the description of Yate as a town "you've probably never heard of." How can anyone mention Emley without alluding to the men's FA Cup run by that town's football club 21 seasons ago? But nonetheless probably correct for most people.
Since that run Emley FC had to move to Wakefield, got re-named as Wakefield and Emley provoking a new club to form in Emley, provoking Wakefield and Emley to change their name simply to Wakefield, who then proposed to move in with the new Emley club that had been provoked by the re-naming and other changes, which didn't happen and Wakefield went out of business.
Emley's next match is against Grimsby Borough.
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Post by markgoodair on Nov 1, 2018 22:47:24 GMT
Dr Who, Gandhi, J K Rowling and a quote from Half Man Half Biscuit. Another fine set of previews. I object to the description of Yate as a town "you've probably never heard of." How can anyone mention Emley without alluding to the men's FA Cup run by that town's football club 21 seasons ago? Any true Yorkshire man knows that Emley is more noted for it's TV Tower than it's football club. Many a time I have traveled up the M1 only to be reassured once I see Emley Moor Mast I am back in the Fatherland. |
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