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Post by yellowperil on Oct 16, 2018 9:02:21 GMT
Thanks for that- no wonder I was confused trying to work it out without much local knowledge. Would have been nice to have another Chartist by-election to go with the one last year at Minster Lovell which contained the other great early Chartist settlement, Charterville. There was a by-election in that district ward last year: www.threerivers.gov.uk/download?id=40460So there was-I should have known that, shouldn't I? How stupid of me  |
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Post by bungle on Oct 16, 2018 17:00:46 GMT
The Conservative candidate lives on Coton Park. That used to be a rather grim National Coal Board estate, sold off in the late 1980s/early 1990s. Goodness I'd completely forgotten that twilight zone which is Coton Park. I leafleted it once back in 1992 as a young lad and have never gone back. The housing was on a par with the very grim Coronation Street in Swadlincote (which I think was demolished not long after) but saved by being in the middle of fields and having trees around. You'd never think of a Tory candidate living there even 20 years ago but I can imagine even NCB semis can be gentrified with pebble dash and double glazing. As you rightly point out everything about South Derbyshire demographically is flowing the way of the Tories. I'm curious as to why the Hilton vacancy hasn't been called for a by-election at the same time as this one - it can't be for lack of suitable candidates as Hilton is ever growing. If it was an argument that the 2019 elections are just around the corner then why call one and not the other? Unless Labour fancied their chances and requested the Linton by-election but steered clear of Hilton knowing it would be a lost cause.... |
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Post by matureleft on Oct 16, 2018 22:34:48 GMT
The Conservative candidate lives on Coton Park. That used to be a rather grim National Coal Board estate, sold off in the late 1980s/early 1990s. Goodness I'd completely forgotten that twilight zone which is Coton Park. I leafleted it once back in 1992 as a young lad and have never gone back. The housing was on a par with the very grim Coronation Street in Swadlincote (which I think was demolished not long after) but saved by being in the middle of fields and having trees around. You'd never think of a Tory candidate living there even 20 years ago but I can imagine even NCB semis can be gentrified with pebble dash and double glazing. As you rightly point out everything about South Derbyshire demographically is flowing the way of the Tories. I'm curious as to why the Hilton vacancy hasn't been called for a by-election at the same time as this one - it can't be for lack of suitable candidates as Hilton is ever growing. If it was an argument that the 2019 elections are just around the corner then why call one and not the other? Unless Labour fancied their chances and requested the Linton by-election but steered clear of Hilton knowing it would be a lost cause.... Coronation Street suffered from subsidence and was indeed demolished in the 1990s. On canvass returns it was the most Labour street I'd ever visited. The one exception to the demographic slide against Labour is the growth of Stenson Fields on the edge of Derby. This is an increasingly Sikh private estate which votes heavily Labour and has been well-organised by the party. The constituency shouldn't be a lost cause - the new houses aren't generally particularly large, prices are competitive and the occupants often come from areas where Labour voting was common - but it certainly isn't natural Corbyn territory. A more centrist Labour offering would stand a reasonable chance. |
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Post by timrollpickering on Oct 16, 2018 23:19:41 GMT
A further on Belmont - the London Encyclopedia nominates this as the best candidate for Tony Hanock's East Cheam whereas I'd always assumed west Sutton to the north (basically the Sutton West ward) would be a more logical place to take the tourists. (There was a historic East Cheam manor up there but this doesn't seem to have had any bearing on the name.)
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Post by uhurasmazda on Oct 16, 2018 23:30:29 GMT
There is apparently a village called California not far from Milan. To tie this in with the Derby chat, there is also a mildly grim area of terracing just to the west of the city centre called California, which is only a short walk away from another suburb called New Zealand. In Year 1, I moved from Derby to the actual New Zealand, while another kid moved to the actual California, and most of the reactions to this were along the lines of "Oh right, but you're still coming to this school, aren't you?" |
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Post by Adam in Stroud on Oct 17, 2018 6:29:13 GMT
A further on Belmont - the London Encyclopedia nominates this as the best candidate for Tony Hanock's East Cheam whereas I'd always assumed west Sutton to the north (basically the Sutton West ward) would be a more logical place to take the tourists. (There was a historic East Cheam manor up there but this doesn't seem to have had any bearing on the name.) It'd be quite appropriate for 23 Railway Cuttings to be there, given the rubbish nature of the railway service. |
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Post by timrollpickering on Oct 17, 2018 11:25:17 GMT
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Oct 17, 2018 20:43:03 GMT
There is apparently a village called California not far from Milan. There is also a village called California in Norfolk, next to the equally wonderfully named Scratby. It was a new village developed at the same time that the California Gold Rush was happening, so took its name. What would make the story though, would be if a village in California then took the name of Scratby! There's also a hamlet of that name in Cambridgeshire, just outside Little Downham. |
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Post by Chris from Brum on Oct 18, 2018 8:51:51 GMT
There is also a village called California in Norfolk, next to the equally wonderfully named Scratby. It was a new village developed at the same time that the California Gold Rush was happening, so took its name. What would make the story though, would be if a village in California then took the name of Scratby! There's also a hamlet of that name in Cambridgeshire, just outside Little Downham. . |
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Post by nigelashton on Oct 22, 2018 16:24:59 GMT
HERTFORDSHIRE CC; Three Rivers Rural (Con resigned) Sarratt is slightly more mixed, a typical chocolate-box Chiltern village with large houses around its attractive Green together with smaller (but still expensive) cottages and some social housing. Sarratt is also the (fictional) home of the Circus training and interrogation facility in the George Smiley novels of John Le Carre. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2018 16:49:53 GMT
HERTFORDSHIRE CC; Three Rivers Rural (Con resigned) Thought people might like a little pen-portrait of what is a fairly straggly and diverse Division: Slightly under half the division’s electors live in Chorleywood which is in the extreme SW corner of the division and is its largest settlement. Chorleywood surrounds its Common, a large and beautiful area of open space. The original settlement was north and east of the Common, around the parish church. This area now finds itself stranded between the Common and the M25. This is very strongly Conservative ‘Chorleywood North’, characterised by large detached houses, many in private roads. Here also is ‘Cedars Village’, a large private retirement community. The modern commercial and community centre of Chorleywood lies south and west of the Common, around the station. Much of the housing is classic Metroland villas; but there is also a fair sprinkling of social housing and smaller houses and flats. This, along with the older area around The Swillet to the south, is ‘Chorleywood South’: usually LD for district elections, but not always and not overwhelmingly. Around a third of the division’s electors live in the extreme NE of the division, in the settlements of Bedmond, Kings Langley, Nash Mills and Hunton Bridge. Bedmond is unusual for a Hertfordshire village, being comprised of a majority of social housing and rather cut off. Its claim to fame is as the birthplace of the only English Pope (Adrian IV). North of Bedmond is the hamlet of Pimlico with its TV mast at the highest point in the district. The parts of Kings Langley, Nash Mills and Hunton Bridge included in the division (east of the Grand Union canal but including Kings Langley station, in the Gade Valley district ward) are a mix of Victorian and inter-war housing interspersed with old industrial sites, several of which have been converted into modern canal-side developments (for example the former Ovaltine factory site, which on its own is now home to over 5% of the electorate of the whole division). There are also two large park home sites in this part of the division. This area feels relatively peripheral and usually (but not always) votes LD for district elections. Between these two more populated areas, the remaining 20% or so of the electorate is relatively sparsely spread. (‘sparse’ in a home counties context). This part of the division is relentlessly and overwhelmingly Conservative. Loudwater is the only substantial element of the division inside the M25 and comprises a large private gated estate and surrounding mostly private roads. Property prices in Loudwater start north of £1m. Sarratt is slightly more mixed, a typical chocolate-box Chiltern village with large houses around its attractive Green together with smaller (but still expensive) cottages and some social housing. Finally there are smaller settlements at Belsize, Bucks Hill, Micklefield Green and Chandlers Cross, all full of commuters to the City; there is very little genuinely rural farming influence in the division. great place to camp if anyone is interested |
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Post by Adam in Stroud on Oct 22, 2018 19:40:19 GMT
Sarratt is slightly more mixed, a typical chocolate-box Chiltern village with large houses around its attractive Green together with smaller (but still expensive) cottages and some social housing. Sarratt is also the (fictional) home of the Circus training and interrogation facility in the George Smiley novels of John Le Carre. Used to go to The Cricketers in Sarratt for the rural pub experience when I lived in West London, the Circus connection always amused me. Obviously there was no such thing in reality any more than MI6 was based in Cambridge Circus, but as with the latter it felt like the sort of place they might use. |
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Oct 23, 2018 8:53:36 GMT
Sarratt is also the (fictional) home of the Circus training and interrogation facility in the George Smiley novels of John Le Carre. Used to go to The Cricketers in Sarratt for the rural pub experience when I lived in West London, the Circus connection always amused me. Obviously there was no such thing in reality any more than MI6 was based in Cambridge Circus, but as with the latter it felt like the sort of place they might use. I used to sometimes go for food in the Cricketers when I lived in Chorleywood. Standard Brunning & Price 'pub'- so decent enough food and decent enough beer range and quality for a meal out. The Land of Liberty, Peace and Plenty is an even better pub, but doesn't really do food. And is not in this division- though it was in the old Chorleywood West ward, despite the rest of Heronsgate being the other side of Long Lane and in a different ward. Despite living within this division, that was my 'local' when I lived there. And it supplies the Chartist link for yellowperil. |
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Post by mattb on Oct 23, 2018 14:11:03 GMT
Used to go to The Cricketers in Sarratt for the rural pub experience when I lived in West London, the Circus connection always amused me. Obviously there was no such thing in reality any more than MI6 was based in Cambridge Circus, but as with the latter it felt like the sort of place they might use. I used to sometimes go for food in the Cricketers when I lived in Chorleywood. Standard Brunning & Price 'pub'- so decent enough food and decent enough beer range and quality for a meal out. The Land of Liberty, Peace and Plenty is an even better pub, but doesn't really do food. And is not in this division- though it was in the old Chorleywood West ward, despite the rest of Heronsgate being the other side of Long Lane and in a different ward. Despite living within this division, that was my 'local' when I lived there. And it supplies the Chartist link for yellowperil. The pub in fact in the division - the division boundary here is the old ward boundary (and indeed the very old parish boundary between Chorleywood and Mill End) |
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Post by mattb on Oct 23, 2018 14:17:49 GMT
Sarratt is also the (fictional) home of the Circus training and interrogation facility in the George Smiley novels of John Le Carre. Used to go to The Cricketers in Sarratt for the rural pub experience when I lived in West London, the Circus connection always amused me. Obviously there was no such thing in reality any more than MI6 was based in Cambridge Circus, but as with the latter it felt like the sort of place they might use. Phil Williams used to be publican of The Cricketers (not sure how long ago and no longer) |
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Oct 23, 2018 15:12:44 GMT
I used to sometimes go for food in the Cricketers when I lived in Chorleywood. Standard Brunning & Price 'pub'- so decent enough food and decent enough beer range and quality for a meal out. The Land of Liberty, Peace and Plenty is an even better pub, but doesn't really do food. And is not in this division- though it was in the old Chorleywood West ward, despite the rest of Heronsgate being the other side of Long Lane and in a different ward. Despite living within this division, that was my 'local' when I lived there. And it supplies the Chartist link for yellowperil. The pub in fact in the division - the division boundary here is the old ward boundary (and indeed the very old parish boundary between Chorleywood and Mill End) Of course it is. I was checking this morning (as I haven't been active round there since the new ward and division boundaries) and switched to the ward map rather than divisions.  |
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Post by Robert Waller on Oct 23, 2018 17:48:53 GMT
I have a feeling that Vinnie Jones was originally from Bedmond.
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Post by mattb on Oct 23, 2018 18:24:19 GMT
I have a feeling that Vinnie Jones was originally from Bedmond. Think he was actually born in Watford but as I understand it he played for the village football team as a youngster. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2018 18:33:15 GMT
I have a feeling that Vinnie Jones was originally from Bedmond. Think he was actually born in Watford but as I understand it he played for the village football team as a youngster. not far off though the people of Bedmond might not agree. Then he went off and played for Wales |
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