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Post by justin124 on Oct 4, 2021 10:00:43 GMT
Yvette Cooper, Rachel Reeves and Wes Streeting might well be leadership contenders. All of whom will be at least as right wing as Starmer has been. And who all share his delusion that winning over a totally out of touch "centrist" media (brilliantly skewered by Chris Dillow's latest blog piece) is the key to winning power. Burnham might at least offer something a bit different there. I don't disagree with your central point there, but they all would have one big advantage compared with Starmer in that they do have political brains and antennae which he clearly lacks!
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Post by The Bishop on Oct 4, 2021 10:03:16 GMT
Well, possibly. Starmer's lack of those (tbf significantly down to his limited experience in front line politics) makes having a sub-optimal team around him more consequential.
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Post by johng on Oct 6, 2021 20:29:04 GMT
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Post by Richard Allen on Oct 6, 2021 23:07:59 GMT
Seriously, what kind of fucking absurd analysis is this? If you think that the core "Boris voter", i.e those that aren't Tory but like Boris, give a crap about conference speeches then you haven't got a bloody clue about politics.
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Post by timmullen1 on Oct 6, 2021 23:20:12 GMT
Seriously, what kind of fucking absurd analysis is this? If you think that the core "Boris voter", i.e those that aren't Tory but like Boris, give a crap about conference speeches then you haven't got a bloody clue about politics. If it makes you sleep better tonight you keep believing that.
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Post by johng on Oct 6, 2021 23:20:32 GMT
Seriously, what kind of fucking absurd analysis is this? If you think that the core "Boris voter", i.e those that aren't Tory but like Boris, give a crap about conference speeches then you haven't got a bloody clue about politics. ?
Isn't that basically every British conference speech ever?
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Post by hengo on Oct 7, 2021 3:26:10 GMT
Seriously, what kind of fucking absurd analysis is this? If you think that the core "Boris voter", i.e those that aren't Tory but like Boris, give a crap about conference speeches then you haven't got a bloody clue about politics. Isn’t this pretty obvious? Those legions of the left who hate Boris are immovable on it. It’s visceral. He could produce the greatest speech since Demosthenes and they wouldn’t hear it ( I’m not saying it was.). They can’t believe he ever performs effectively at PMQs ( he does occasionally). He is simultaneously a hopeless buffoon and an evil Svengali ( he puzzles us too at times). Whereas those of us on the rightish side of the room think Keir rather dull and uninspiring , but we don’t on the whole hate him and are prepared to listen to him at least. And happy to say he is sometimes effective. He sometimes comes across well as a decent guy in a hell of a difficult job, doing his best. Or enough of us at least are willing to lend him an ear to make a statistical difference in a poll like this.
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Post by matureleft on Oct 7, 2021 7:13:28 GMT
Seriously, what kind of fucking absurd analysis is this? If you think that the core "Boris voter", i.e those that aren't Tory but like Boris, give a crap about conference speeches then you haven't got a bloody clue about politics. To be fair the story itself says exactly that.
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Post by The Bishop on Oct 7, 2021 11:05:19 GMT
Indeed, its saying something different - but maybe not insignificant.
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Post by justin124 on Oct 16, 2021 19:42:56 GMT
Tories maintain 4 point lead as Johnson’s approval reaches lowest point since the general election
The Conservatives are on 41% in our latest voting intention poll (+2 on our last poll) with Labour on 37% (+2) leaving the Tories 4 points ahead. The Lib Dems are on 7% (-1), with the Greens on 5% (-1) and the SNP on 5% (-1).
Boris Johnson’s approval rating as prime minister has reached net -18% (32% approve, 50% disapprove), the lowest we have recorded since the 2019 general election.
Fieldwork was conducted from 13th to 15th October 2021. Please note: fieldwork had finished by the time the tragic news emerged of the murder of Sir David Amess MP.
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Post by hullenedge on Oct 21, 2021 12:55:29 GMT
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Post by justin124 on Oct 30, 2021 19:30:00 GMT
Con 40% Lab 35% LD 8% Grn 7% SNP 5% PC 1% Oth 5%
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Post by justin124 on Oct 30, 2021 19:30:30 GMT
Con 40% Lab 35% LD 8% Grn 7% SNP 5% PC 1% Oth 5%
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Post by greenhert on Oct 30, 2021 21:22:16 GMT
Opinium's definition of a "Blue Wall" seat is flawed; they have just picked out Conservative-held seats with a strong Remain vote, many of which have been held by Labour or the Liberal Democrats in recent memory (although Rushcliffe, Bournemouth East, and East Worthing & Shoreham definitely count). Notably, Truro & Falmouth was notionally Lib Dem upon its creation (having primarily been created from Truro & St Austell) and only in 2015 (amidst divided opposition) was the Conservative majority substantial, and by all standards it is a key Con-Lab marginal.
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Post by seanryanj on Oct 31, 2021 2:02:43 GMT
Well no doubt u have the Teflon tories or people want what they see!
Labour what do ye do?? The working class feel more comfortable with the tories..explain
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Post by myth11 on Oct 31, 2021 10:23:43 GMT
Well no doubt u have the Teflon tories or people want what they see! Labour what do ye do?? The working class feel more comfortable with the tories..explain Europe is still a problem for labour for example many working class voters would love to see the electricity sector back in UK state ownership but how do you do that when the French state and others own large chunks of it.
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Post by The Bishop on Oct 31, 2021 10:54:06 GMT
Well no doubt u have the Teflon tories or people want what they see! Labour what do ye do?? The working class feel more comfortable with the tories..explain Labour could start by opposing better? (though the response to the Budget was decent, and shows they are capable of it)
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Post by European Lefty on Oct 31, 2021 11:43:37 GMT
The working class feel more comfortable with the tories..explain I've yet to see any evidence of that actually being true
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Post by timmullen1 on Oct 31, 2021 12:02:32 GMT
The working class feel more comfortable with the tories..explain I've yet to see any evidence of that actually being true Interesting also that both the American father of focus groups, Frank Luntz, who’s been working for the Conservatives, and Lord Ashcroft have both concluded that it’s not support for the Conservatives but for Johnson, and both have highlighted a similarity with the Republican Party when Johnson and Trump are no longer factors.
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Post by mattbewilson on Oct 31, 2021 12:13:05 GMT
The working class feel more comfortable with the tories..explain I've yet to see any evidence of that actually being true I suppose at push you could say that the fact the Tories lead amongst C2 is higher than amongst ABC1 and DE suggests the Tories do best amongst semi skilled labourers. But C2DE does include lots of over 60s who are wealthy but have little income
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