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Post by hullenedge on Sept 18, 2021 20:43:46 GMT
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Post by hullenedge on Oct 2, 2021 20:22:31 GMT
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Post by iang on Oct 3, 2021 7:14:03 GMT
How could the SNP possibly poll 6% of the British electorate?
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Post by No Offence Alan on Oct 3, 2021 9:01:05 GMT
How could the SNP possibly poll 6% of the British electorate? Over-weighting by "likelihood to vote"? Though in May this year, more people voted in the Scottish elections than in the London elections, despite London having a couple of million electors head start.
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Post by The Bishop on Oct 3, 2021 9:50:49 GMT
How could the SNP possibly poll 6% of the British electorate? They've polled 7% before now, which taken at face value would imply almost everybody in Scotland voting for them.
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Post by andrew111 on Oct 3, 2021 10:35:15 GMT
How could the SNP possibly poll 6% of the British electorate? They've polled 7% before now, which taken at face value would imply almost everybody in Scotland voting for them. Answer the questions from Opinium early and often?
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Post by The Bishop on Oct 3, 2021 10:36:39 GMT
Think the pollster was MORI not Opinium, and that's not actually how polls work. But still worth getting that gag in
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Post by justin124 on Oct 3, 2021 12:15:48 GMT
Given what has been happening, this is a poor poll for Labour. As a member of an affiliated organisation I voted for Starmer 18 months ago but am now firmly convinced he is a 'dud'. He clearly lacks political'nous' - indeed a political brain. The party will now be best served by poor election results up to and including next May's Local Elections - which hopefully lead to him being ousted.
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Post by andrew111 on Oct 3, 2021 12:30:01 GMT
Given what has been happening, this is a poor poll for Labour. As a member of an affiliated organisation I voted for Starmer 18 months ago but am now firmly convinced he is a 'dud'. He clearly lacks political'nous' - indeed a political brain. The party will now be best served by poor election results up to and including next May's Local Elections - which hopefully lead to him being ousted. And replaced by whom?
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Post by justin124 on Oct 3, 2021 12:48:00 GMT
Given what has been happening, this is a poor poll for Labour. As a member of an affiliated organisation I voted for Starmer 18 months ago but am now firmly convinced he is a 'dud'. He clearly lacks political'nous' - indeed a political brain. The party will now be best served by poor election results up to and including next May's Local Elections - which hopefully lead to him being ousted. And replaced by whom? I have nobody specific in mind - but see that as a secondary issue.There is just something missing in Starmer in terms of what is required of a political leader, and I have come to think of him as the very opposite of -say - Harold Wilson.I also now question his integrity, in that whilst we all know that Johnson lies to the public on a routine basis, Starmer clearly deceived the Labour membership during the Leadership election.I am appalled by his remarks ruling out energy renationalisation.We are now faced with the absurd position of nationalisation and wider government intervention being more likely under Johnson than perhaps would be the case onder Starmer. Yvette Cooper, Rachel Reeves and Wes Streeting might well be leadership contenders.
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Post by msc on Oct 3, 2021 13:28:23 GMT
I feel like Wes Streeting gets mentioned more on this forum than anywhere else on the internet combined. Reminds me of about 20 years ago when politicos (and only politicos) kept bringing up James Purnell as a future contender for high office.
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Post by finsobruce on Oct 3, 2021 13:47:21 GMT
I feel like Wes Streeting gets mentioned more on this forum than anywhere else on the internet combined. Reminds me of about 20 years ago when politicos (and only politicos) kept bringing up James Purnell as a future contender for high office. When i was at university I remember one year when elections to NUS executive etc suddenly became dominated by one guy who was going to be really big in politics, dominate the student movement, one to watch for the future etc, etc. Not only did he not become president, he even failed to get on the National Executive.
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Post by andrew111 on Oct 3, 2021 14:09:07 GMT
I have nobody specific in mind - but see that as a secondary issue.There is just something missing in Starmer in terms of what is required of a political leader, and I have come to think of him as the very opposite of -say - Harold Wilson.I also now question his integrity, in that whilst we all know that Johnson lies to the public on a routine basis, Starmer clearly deceived the Labour membership during the Leadership election.I am appalled by his remarks ruling out energy renationalisation.We are now faced with the absurd position of nationalisation and wider government intervention being more likely under Johnson than perhaps would be the case onder Starmer. Yvette Cooper, Rachel Reeves and Wes Streeting might well be leadership contenders. With no skin is this game I would say Andy Burnham is your best bet. He sounded pretty good on AQ this week although I only caught snippets. He has had a good pandemic and success as a Mayor helped Johnson. Getting him there without it looking like a coup would be hard though, especially before the next election!
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Post by justin124 on Oct 3, 2021 14:45:09 GMT
I have nobody specific in mind - but see that as a secondary issue.There is just something missing in Starmer in terms of what is required of a political leader, and I have come to think of him as the very opposite of -say - Harold Wilson.I also now question his integrity, in that whilst we all know that Johnson lies to the public on a routine basis, Starmer clearly deceived the Labour membership during the Leadership election.I am appalled by his remarks ruling out energy renationalisation.We are now faced with the absurd position of nationalisation and wider government intervention being more likely under Johnson than perhaps would be the case onder Starmer. Yvette Cooper, Rachel Reeves and Wes Streeting might well be leadership contenders. With no skin is this game I would say Andy Burnham is your best bet. He sounded pretty good on AQ this week although I only caught snippets. He has had a good pandemic and success as a Mayor helped Johnson. Getting him there without it looking like a coup would be hard though, especially before the next election! I cannot see how Burnham could enter any race next Spring or Summer were Starmer to feel forced to step down.
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Post by andrew111 on Oct 3, 2021 16:27:44 GMT
With no skin is this game I would say Andy Burnham is your best bet. He sounded pretty good on AQ this week although I only caught snippets. He has had a good pandemic and success as a Mayor helped Johnson. Getting him there without it looking like a coup would be hard though, especially before the next election! I cannot see how Burnham could enter any race next Spring or Summer were Starmer to feel forced to step down. No, I agree. Any entry into Parliament would be too contrived.. I think you have Starmer until the next GE however. And I would not be too despondent because I think people may be fed up with Boris by then, and a hung Parliament is quite likely
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Post by European Lefty on Oct 3, 2021 16:34:43 GMT
Starmer leading us into a 2023/24 GE at which we significantly cut the Tories' majority and get back within spitting distance in a number of key marginals, followed by a 2028/9 election at which we are led by Andy Burnham is one of Labour's more plausible routes back to power imo.
But I'm still skeptical of the idea that Andy Burnham will be anywhere near as good in parliament or in the leadership as he us in his mayoralty
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Post by justin124 on Oct 3, 2021 18:13:07 GMT
I cannot see how Burnham could enter any race next Spring or Summer were Starmer to feel forced to step down. No, I agree. Any entry into Parliament would be too contrived.. I think you have Starmer until the next GE however. And I would not be too despondent because I think people may be fed up with Boris by then, and a hung Parliament is quite likely I rather agree re- the prospects of a Hung Parliament which is implied by some current polls , but I no longer have confidence that Starmer will take advantage of plitical opportunities that arise. If nothing changes , I expect to be voting Green in 2023/24 as I did in 2019.
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Post by andrew111 on Oct 3, 2021 19:41:11 GMT
No, I agree. Any entry into Parliament would be too contrived.. I think you have Starmer until the next GE however. And I would not be too despondent because I think people may be fed up with Boris by then, and a hung Parliament is quite likely I rather agree re- the prospects of a Hung Parliament which is implied by some current polls , but I no longer have confidence that Starmer will take advantage of plitical opportunities that arise. If nothing changes , I expect to be voting Green in 2023/24 as I did in 2019. I will make a prediction: gas prices are going to polarise the climate change debate in a way that will cause a lot of discontent in the Tory Party and possibly the rise of Refuk at their expense. Johnson has tied his colours firmly to the net zero mast. Of course Sunak may come in on a "sod global warming" ticket..
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Post by J.G.Harston on Oct 3, 2021 23:26:26 GMT
I rather agree re- the prospects of a Hung Parliament which is implied by some current polls , but I no longer have confidence that Starmer will take advantage of plitical opportunities that arise. If nothing changes , I expect to be voting Green in 2023/24 as I did in 2019. I will make a prediction: gas prices are going to polarise the climate change debate in a way that will cause a lot of discontent in the Tory Party and possibly the rise of Refuk at their expense. Johnson has tied his colours firmly to the net zero mast. Of course Sunak may come in on a "sod global warming" ticket.. "We hope you enjoyed your free sample of the post-carbon economy."
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Post by The Bishop on Oct 4, 2021 9:29:31 GMT
Yvette Cooper, Rachel Reeves and Wes Streeting might well be leadership contenders. All of whom will be at least as right wing as Starmer has been. And who all share his delusion that winning over a totally out of touch "centrist" media (brilliantly skewered by Chris Dillow's latest blog piece) is the key to winning power. Burnham might at least offer something a bit different there.
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