Sibboleth
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Post by Sibboleth on Jul 23, 2024 19:20:19 GMT
Voting for an opposition amendment to a King's Speech is very much asking for trouble, especially if there aren't many of you.
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Post by Andrew_S on Jul 23, 2024 19:21:20 GMT
Labour to Independent after having the whip suspend for having voted for the SNP's amendment of 2 child cap: Apsana Begum Richard Burgon Ian Byrne Imran Hussain Rebecca Long Bailey John McDonnell Zarah Sultana Their status will be reviewed after 6 months That was quick. 18 days after the election.
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Post by greatkingrat on Jul 23, 2024 19:21:35 GMT
Surprised that Bell Ribeiro-Addy isn’t there. She is seen as more radical than RLB or Hussain anyway. She did not vote, neither did Diane Abbott nor Nadia Whittome. Whether they were genuine absences, or deliberate abstentions, we don't know.
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Post by andrea on Jul 23, 2024 19:27:22 GMT
From the Guardian: "Rosie Duffield, the Canterbury MP, said she would have rebelled to vote for the SNP amendment but was prevented from doing so because she had tested positive for Covid."
Is she pissed she wasn't the first to be suspended?
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Post by jakegb on Jul 23, 2024 19:38:40 GMT
A ballsy, assertive course of action taken by Starmer. Yes, he'll upset some of the old guard MPs like McDonnell, granted; however, given his parliamentary majority rests on a large number of middle England, former Conservative seats (that stretch from Berwick to Basingstoke), this may be quite a smart move that shores up wide support showing Lab to be fiscally competent.
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Post by edgbaston on Jul 23, 2024 19:39:53 GMT
Voting for an opposition amendment to a King's Speech is very much asking for trouble, especially if there aren't many of you. I'm all for suspending the whip from rebel MPs on the right issues This is not the right issue
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Post by swanarcadian on Jul 23, 2024 19:45:14 GMT
Labour to Independent after having the whip suspend for having voted for the SNP's amendment of 2 child cap: Apsana Begum Richard Burgon Ian Byrne Imran Hussain Rebecca Long Bailey John McDonnell Zarah Sultana Their status will be reviewed after 6 months That was quick. 18 days after the election. McDonnell, 73 this year, probably wants very little from the Labour leadership. He could well cross the floor and join Corbyn so that he’s able to freely express his views.
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Post by timrollpickering on Jul 23, 2024 19:55:33 GMT
From the Guardian: "Rosie Duffield, the Canterbury MP, said she would have rebelled to vote for the SNP amendment but was prevented from doing so because she had tested positive for Covid." Is she pissed she wasn't the first to be suspended? She is of course free to resign the whip in solidarity.
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Post by matureleft on Jul 23, 2024 19:59:01 GMT
First, this was explicitly covered in the election campaign. Secondly, the SNP has been given a thorough kicking. They look for divisive lines. Give them a hand. Thirdly, there have been fairly strong hints that this issue will be reviewed.
But clearly it’s mainly a gesture to emphasise fiscal discipline, that this is a serious government prepared to take hard and unpleasant decisions and that backbenchers will have to toe the line. There was a similar decision in 1997, without the loss of the whip but with emphatic disapproval of rebellion.
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Post by batman on Jul 23, 2024 20:01:15 GMT
That was quick. 18 days after the election. McDonnell, 73 this year, probably wants very little from the Labour leadership. He could well cross the floor and join Corbyn so that he’s able to freely express his views. well for the time being he basically has
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Post by mattbewilson on Jul 23, 2024 20:23:04 GMT
It certainly didn't hurt Boris when he sacked 20 rebel MPs
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Post by uthacalthing on Jul 23, 2024 20:30:11 GMT
Voting for an opposition amendment to a King's Speech is very much asking for trouble, especially if there aren't many of you. I'm all for suspending the whip from rebel MPs on the right issues This is not the right issue I am quite impressed by it
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Post by uthacalthing on Jul 23, 2024 20:32:05 GMT
Labour to Independent after having the whip suspend for having voted for the SNP's amendment of 2 child cap: Apsana Begum Richard Burgon Ian Byrne Imran Hussain Rebecca Long Bailey John McDonnell Zarah Sultana Their status will be reviewed after 6 months I will be even more impressed if having reviewed them after six months, the whip is not restored.
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Post by mattbewilson on Jul 23, 2024 20:34:11 GMT
Labour to Independent after having the whip suspend for having voted for the SNP's amendment of 2 child cap: Apsana Begum Richard Burgon Ian Byrne Imran Hussain Rebecca Long Bailey John McDonnell Zarah Sultana Their status will be reviewed after 6 months I will be even more impressed if having reviewed them after six months, the whip is not restored. your vote was much appreciated
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Post by where2travel on Jul 23, 2024 20:35:11 GMT
From the Guardian: "Rosie Duffield, the Canterbury MP, said she would have rebelled to vote for the SNP amendment but was prevented from doing so because she had tested positive for Covid." Is she pissed she wasn't the first to be suspended? Why was she prevented from voting? Through her own choice, or Parliament's?
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Post by batman on Jul 23, 2024 20:40:52 GMT
Labour to Independent after having the whip suspend for having voted for the SNP's amendment of 2 child cap: Apsana Begum Richard Burgon Ian Byrne Imran Hussain Rebecca Long Bailey John McDonnell Zarah Sultana Their status will be reviewed after 6 months I will be even more impressed if having reviewed them after six months, the whip is not restored. that obviously depends on their conduct without the whip. If they show a generally co-operative attitude towards the government they'll get it back. If they rebel on a lot of other stuff then they won't. Some of these wouldn't be much of a loss, but others would be.
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Post by greatkingrat on Jul 23, 2024 20:49:55 GMT
Surprised that Bell Ribeiro-Addy isn’t there. She is seen as more radical than RLB or Hussain anyway. She did not vote, neither did Diane Abbott nor Nadia Whittome. Whether they were genuine absences, or deliberate abstentions, we don't know. Kim Johnson, Ian Lavery, Noah Law, Bell Ribeiro-Addy, Jon Trickett and Nadia Whittome all voted against the Conservative and Lib Dem amendments, but abstained on the SNP amendment, so were deliberate abstentions. Abbott didn't vote at all today.
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Post by CatholicLeft on Jul 23, 2024 21:03:10 GMT
That was quick. 18 days after the election. McDonnell, 73 this year, probably wants very little from the Labour leadership. He could well cross the floor and join Corbyn so that he’s able to freely express his views. John McDonnell will not cross the floor - he is more of a tribal Labour man than Jeremy Corbyn. He is just reverting to type when Labour were last in government.
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Post by Foggy on Jul 23, 2024 21:04:37 GMT
It certainly didn't hurt Boris when he sacked 20 rebel MPs I do not recall that happening within 20 days of a general election victory.
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Post by Merseymike on Jul 23, 2024 21:05:26 GMT
that obviously depends on their conduct without the whip. If they show a generally co-operative attitude towards the government they'll get it back. If they rebel on a lot of other stuff then they won't. Some of these wouldn't be much of a loss, but others would be. Depends what they believe or agree. If they rebel, that's up to them.
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