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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Jul 8, 2024 10:07:03 GMT
Rumours in Welsh Labour of certain MSs resigning whip to stand as Independent Welsh Labour - not just because of Gething but because of imposition of UK Labour candidates in Cardiff W and Swansea W in UK GE. It appears that Lee Waters (MS for Llanelli) has resigned Labour whip. His absence in the GE campaign supporting Labour in Llanelli was noticeable. Not clear what his plans are... A fairly clear case of jumping before he gets deselected.
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Jul 8, 2024 10:13:47 GMT
It appears that Lee Waters (MS for Llanelli) has resigned Labour whip. His absence in the GE campaign supporting Labour in Llanelli was noticeable. Not clear what his plans are... A fairly clear case of jumping before he gets deselected. He hasn't gone/resigned. Penddu I fear is getting slightly ahead of themselves.
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Post by observer on Jul 8, 2024 10:22:53 GMT
A fairly clear case of jumping before he gets deselected. He hasn't gone/resigned. Penddu I fear is getting slightly ahead of themselves. Themselves? Is Penddu a conglomerate?
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jul 9, 2024 11:48:38 GMT
Not really a defection but
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Post by iain on Jul 9, 2024 11:52:12 GMT
Surprised he's done that given Farage went out of his way to endorse Ian Paisley Jr.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2024 12:16:20 GMT
Not really a defection but TUV = Northern Ireland Reform APNI = Northern Ireland Lib Dems I think
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Post by stb12 on Jul 9, 2024 12:16:26 GMT
Surprised he's done that given Farage went out of his way to endorse Ian Paisley Jr. There might be some practical advantages in parliament for him being in a group like that rather than just a one man party? He certainly wouldn’t have been teaming up with the DUP for obvious reasons
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Post by Penddu on Jul 9, 2024 13:27:15 GMT
Look out for a 'personal statement' today in the Senedd....
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Post by redwombat on Jul 9, 2024 14:07:20 GMT
Six seats allows a party to lay a wreath at the Cenotaph in November.
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Post by Delighted Of Tunbridge Wells on Jul 9, 2024 14:44:35 GMT
Not really a defection but TUV = Northern Ireland Reform APNI = Northern Ireland Lib Dems I think The description of the APNI is closer, but the TUV don't really fit the mainland Reform ideological space at all. Reform isn't an ethnoreligious party, neither do they have a very firm commitment to social conservatism like the TUV. The closest mainland political party ideologically is probably the Christian People's Alliance.
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Jul 9, 2024 14:45:15 GMT
Six seats allows a party to lay a wreath at the Cenotaph in November. Jim Alister just spoke in the Commons as Leader (of a group of 1) of the TUV. Taking/following the whip will be different from defecting. Re the six seats is that elected at a GE time or each November during a parliament? Plaid and the SNP certainly used to group together and take it in turns before 2015. Plaid have since sent an MP but I don’t think they’re laid a wreath.
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Post by redwombat on Jul 9, 2024 14:55:50 GMT
The BBC and Daily Express have both quoted the rule about six or more seats in parliament without specifying when they had to be won. Also 2 - 5 seats allows you to attend as leader of your party but not lay a wreath.
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Post by greatkingrat on Jul 9, 2024 14:59:51 GMT
I suspect the limit will be changed to five seats anyway to allow the DUP to qualify, as otherwise there would be no NI representation. In the past either the DUP or the UUP has had at least six seats.
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Post by johnloony on Jul 9, 2024 16:37:37 GMT
Six seats allows a party to lay a wreath at the Cenotaph in November. That rule was invented because David Owen wanted to do it as leader of the SDP, separately from the Liberal Party. The invention of the rule also caused the SNP and UUP / DUP to be included.
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Post by philvn on Jul 9, 2024 18:12:39 GMT
Six seats allows a party to lay a wreath at the Cenotaph in November. Jim Alister just spoke in the Commons as Leader (of a group of 1) of the TUV. Taking/following the whip will be different from defecting. Re the six seats is that elected at a GE time or each November during a parliament? Plaid and the SNP certainly used to group together and take it in turns before 2015. Plaid have since sent an MP but I don’t think they’re laid a wreath. I wondered why both him and Sorcha Eastwood got to speak, but not Robin Swann?
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Jul 9, 2024 20:12:15 GMT
TUV = Northern Ireland Reform APNI = Northern Ireland Lib Dems I think The description of the APNI is closer, but the TUV don't really fit the mainland Reform ideological space at all. Reform isn't an ethnoreligious party, neither do they have a very firm commitment to social conservatism like the TUV. The closest mainland political party ideologically is probably the Christian People's Alliance. The TUV posters in most constituencies and the freepost I got in East Derry both used a lot of Reform branding. In fact, Allister's are the only TUV posters I've seen (albeit I haven't been beyond Antrim lately) that didn't have the Reform logo on them. So they certainly think it's an association they wish to trumpet.
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Post by Delighted Of Tunbridge Wells on Jul 9, 2024 20:44:30 GMT
The description of the APNI is closer, but the TUV don't really fit the mainland Reform ideological space at all. Reform isn't an ethnoreligious party, neither do they have a very firm commitment to social conservatism like the TUV. The closest mainland political party ideologically is probably the Christian People's Alliance. The TUV posters in most constituencies and the freepost I got in East Derry both used a lot of Reform branding. In fact, Allister's are the only TUV posters I've seen (albeit I haven't been beyond Antrim lately) that didn't have the Reform logo on them. So they certainly think it's an association they wish to trumpet. They may do, but I think that's more for the purpose of gathering votes, rather than any actual ideological proximity.
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Post by johnloony on Jul 9, 2024 21:59:06 GMT
Jim Alister just spoke in the Commons as Leader (of a group of 1) of the TUV. Taking/following the whip will be different from defecting. Re the six seats is that elected at a GE time or each November during a parliament? Plaid and the SNP certainly used to group together and take it in turns before 2015. Plaid have since sent an MP but I don’t think they’re laid a wreath. I wondered why both him and Sorcha Eastwood got to speak, but not Robin Swann? I guess it was by prior arrangement, that he was either not there or had said he wanted to let the others speak for him.
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Post by CatholicLeft on Jul 10, 2024 15:10:18 GMT
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Jul 10, 2024 15:26:18 GMT
Jim Alister just spoke in the Commons as Leader (of a group of 1) of the TUV. Taking/following the whip will be different from defecting. Re the six seats is that elected at a GE time or each November during a parliament? Plaid and the SNP certainly used to group together and take it in turns before 2015. Plaid have since sent an MP but I don’t think they’re laid a wreath. I wondered why both him and Sorcha Eastwood got to speak, but not Robin Swann? Maybe Swann stood up, the Speaker thought he was still sitting?
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