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Post by Merseymike on May 28, 2024 12:24:16 GMT
John Mann, previously a crossbencher, has taken the Labour whip in the House of Lords (he has not left the Labour Party as an individual member since leaving the Commons in 2019). Perhaps not surprisingly given that his wife is a Labour candidate in the general election. He has pledged to campaign for Labour in the general election. (This from Jewish News.) He did so the day Jeremy Corbyn's automatic expulsion from the party. He had said he wouldn't retake the whip whilst Jeremy Corbyn was still in the party. Yet another thing which makes more difficult for Labour....Mann is vile.
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Post by polupolu on May 28, 2024 13:41:10 GMT
Was John Mann one of the people who organised the Labour students organisation at NUS conferences in the early 1980s?
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Post by jm on May 28, 2024 13:46:47 GMT
He did so the day Jeremy Corbyn's automatic expulsion from the party. He had said he wouldn't retake the whip whilst Jeremy Corbyn was still in the party. Yet another thing which makes more difficult for Labour....Mann is vile. Not as vile as you
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Post by Merseymike on May 28, 2024 13:54:22 GMT
Yet another thing which makes more difficult for Labour....Mann is vile. Not as vile as you I am not a Labour member.
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Post by batman on May 28, 2024 15:55:05 GMT
He did so the day Jeremy Corbyn's automatic expulsion from the party. He had said he wouldn't retake the whip whilst Jeremy Corbyn was still in the party. Yet another thing which makes more difficult for Labour....Mann is vile. he did say something untoward about Roma people, for which he apologised and which he has not repeated in the several years since. Nothing else can qualify for vile although perhaps you’re thinking about his angry confrontation of Ken Livingstone, which I would say was hardly unjustified though perhaps too shouty. His response to (Conservative Party member, apparently) Gideon Falter of the Campaign Against Antisemitism recently was spot on. If you mean he’s vile for opposing antisemitism that would say far more about you than it does him; if you think he’s too pro-Israel you haven’t really read or heard what his views actually are.
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Post by kevinf on May 28, 2024 16:00:14 GMT
Was John Mann one of the people who organised the Labour students organisation at NUS conferences in the early 1980s? Yep
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Post by Merseymike on May 28, 2024 16:11:54 GMT
Yet another thing which makes more difficult for Labour....Mann is vile. he did say something untoward about Roma people, for which he apologised and which he has not repeated in the several years since. Nothing else can qualify for vile although perhaps you’re thinking about his angry confrontation of Ken Livingstone, which I would say was hardly unjustified though perhaps too shouty. His response to (Conservative Party member, apparently) Gideon Falter of the Campaign Against Antisemitism recently was spot on. If you mean he’s vile for opposing antisemitism that would say far more about you than it does him; if you think he’s too pro-Israel you haven’t really read or heard what his views actually are. I wouldn't vote for him, at all, ever. Nothing at all about own views. Explains that I don't feel at all 'Labour' - just not for me any more.
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Post by timrollpickering on May 28, 2024 16:37:18 GMT
Ex-Parliamentary defection. Dr Charles Tannock, Conservative MEP for London 1999-2019, has backed Labour candidate Joe Powell in Kensington and Bayswater. Charles left the party years ago over Brexit.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on May 28, 2024 18:40:02 GMT
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Post by CatholicLeft on May 28, 2024 19:09:03 GMT
GB News (I know!) are reporting she won't be allowed to stand for parliament - surely not.
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on May 28, 2024 19:18:43 GMT
GB News (I know!) are reporting she won't be allowed to stand for parliament - surely not. It's an attempted fudge. "Dignified" even. Not the word I'd use.
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Post by Sibboleth on May 28, 2024 19:24:25 GMT
It's the Labour Party. Handshakes are always welcome (apart from Masonic ones in South Wales).
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Post by CatholicLeft on May 28, 2024 19:26:44 GMT
Let her stand, it is the proper thing to do - she will be a fairly low profile back-bencher, better on the inside, as they say.
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Post by gibbon on May 28, 2024 20:07:37 GMT
Peerage for Dianne?
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Post by batman on May 28, 2024 22:54:57 GMT
I have been on the fence about Diane but now she has the Whip restored I would prefer if she stands in the general election for Labour, if she wants to do so. If she did attend the antisemitism course (I had heard otherwise but not sure how reliable the source was) she has done what she was asked to do, and she has not offended otherwise in the last year either, and therefore it seems fair enough that after a year she is given another chance. If she chooses to retire, that would be understandable.
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Post by john07 on May 29, 2024 2:31:45 GMT
Was John Mann one of the people who organised the Labour students organisation at NUS conferences in the early 1980s? He was at Manchester University a few years after I graduated and moved to Coventry. I did come across him a time or two and he struck me as a total buffoon. He would certainly have used the organisation that I helped to create. Ironically it was called Clause 4! In the early days the key figures in Labour Students were Mike Gapes, Alan Whitehead, John Denham, Andy Dismore, Ian Davidson, Hilary Barnard, Alan Griffiths, John Carr, Rex Osborne, Bob Jones, Martin Brooks, Kath Hartley, Carl James, Nick Male, Kasper de Graffe, Lyndsey Thomas, etc. This group did the hard work Subsequently, opportunists like Phil Woolas and John Mann emerged as Labour proceded to dominate the NUS.
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Post by jamie on May 29, 2024 7:40:35 GMT
If Abbott had only made the one stupid comment and appeared like she had genuinely learned her lesson then letting her stand again would be reasonable. However, she has a history of stupid comments and therefore it seems hard to guarantee she wouldn’t make more in the next Parliament. Letting her retire with the Labour whip restored seems a reasonably compromise in my view.
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Post by Merseymike on May 29, 2024 7:42:55 GMT
Was John Mann one of the people who organised the Labour students organisation at NUS conferences in the early 1980s? He was at Manchester University a few years after I graduated and moved to Coventry. I did come across him a time or two and he struck me as a total buffoon. He would certainly have used the organisation that I helped to create. Ironically it was called Clause 4! In the early days the key figures in Labour Students were Mike Gapes, Alan Whitehead, John Denham, Andy Dismore, Ian Davidson, Hilary Barnard, Alan Griffiths, John Carr, Rex Osborne, Bob Jones, Martin Brooks, Kath Hartley, Carl James, Nick Male, Kasper de Graffe, Lyndsey Thomas, etc. This group did the hard work Subsequently, opportunists like Phil Woolas and John Mann emerged as Labour proceded to dominate the NUS. Yes - I remember publishing by Mann a 'manifesto' about his views. I think he called a 'brilliant Britain'. I think it was 2015. It disappeared - it was breathtakingly dreadful.
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Post by The Bishop on May 29, 2024 12:55:49 GMT
If Abbott had only made the one stupid comment and appeared like she had genuinely learned her lesson then letting her stand again would be reasonable. However, she has a history of stupid comments and therefore it seems hard to guarantee she wouldn’t make more in the next Parliament. Letting her retire with the Labour whip restored seems a reasonably compromise in my view. It is claimed she retweeted Laura Alvarez proclaiming her husband's run as an Independent just a matter of days ago. Stuff like that really doesn't help.
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Post by Sibboleth on May 29, 2024 13:01:14 GMT
It's not really a secret by this point that she doesn't run her social media accounts personally now.
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