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Post by stb12 on Aug 12, 2023 19:15:16 GMT
Of course he can't stand for the SNP. They've just expelled him. They won't readmit him in only a year's time. Yeah looking at the quote he’s basically having another dig saying he could stand for the SNP if they come to their senses by that time
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Aug 18, 2023 17:26:00 GMT
Lord Dafydd Elis-Thomas has applied to rejoin Plaid
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Sept 8, 2023 23:27:08 GMT
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Post by right on Sept 10, 2023 21:24:33 GMT
She's always kept in Labour before despite various rumours, but this piece from Rosie Duffield would not be out of place from someone who was about to defect, particularly when the tide is high and everyone else thinks, or pretends to think, that Starmer's a genius unherd.com/2023/09/the-dark-art-of-toadying-to-starmer/
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Sept 10, 2023 21:45:28 GMT
She's always kept in Labour before despite various rumours, but this piece from Rosie Duffield would not be out of place from someone who was about to defect, particularly when the tide is high and everyone else thinks, or pretends to think, that Starmer's a genius unherd.com/2023/09/the-dark-art-of-toadying-to-starmer/She should have lost the Whip years ago.
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Post by carlton43 on Sept 10, 2023 22:35:52 GMT
She's always kept in Labour before despite various rumours, but this piece from Rosie Duffield would not be out of place from someone who was about to defect, particularly when the tide is high and everyone else thinks, or pretends to think, that Starmer's a genius unherd.com/2023/09/the-dark-art-of-toadying-to-starmer/That is indeed a very nicely crafted piece of work. I hope she is reelected.
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Post by mattbewilson on Sept 11, 2023 0:35:27 GMT
The bit about colleagues being promoted to shadow cabinet despite little attendance in parliament sounds like something I'd say when I'm feeling particularly bitter
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Post by right on Sept 11, 2023 6:02:54 GMT
The bit about colleagues being promoted to shadow cabinet despite little attendance in parliament sounds like something I'd say when I'm feeling particularly bitter It's quite an astounding accusation
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Post by batman on Sept 11, 2023 6:43:08 GMT
I've had enough of her antics, personally. If she is the Labour candidate in Canterbury, I hope she wins. If she isn't, I will be happier
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Post by right on Sept 11, 2023 7:36:26 GMT
I've had enough of her antics, personally. If she is the Labour candidate in Canterbury, I hope she wins. If she isn't, I will be happier Is that because what she says is false, or is it true but entirely acceptable?
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Post by YL on Sept 11, 2023 7:47:01 GMT
I think she may be looking for martyrdom.
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Post by matureleft on Sept 11, 2023 8:37:38 GMT
The bit about colleagues being promoted to shadow cabinet despite little attendance in parliament sounds like something I'd say when I'm feeling particularly bitter Minus Harry Potter and the slight personal edge it’s a reasonable description. Networks and networking matters. Knowledge about the brief is largely unnecessary or even undesirable. Presentational skills are far more important than any management or analytical ability. Conformity to core messages is essential. Workrate in parliament isn’t particularly critical. None of that’s surprising and MPs do have choices. Most grasp the personal sacrifices (if that’s what they are to a particular personality type) required to advance or choose one of the other paths - assiduous backbencher, localist, select committee specialist or ideology adherent.
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Post by islington on Sept 11, 2023 8:42:42 GMT
Wouldn't this be a shame, though? I mean, when she won Canterbury in 2017 it was completely out of the blue - in fact, I distinctly recall that when when the result was flashed up on GE night my reaction was that some backroom bod had obviously pressed the wrong button, so I smiled and awaited an embarrassed correction that never came. After all, Julian Brazier had had a majority of nearly 10k in 2015 and I don't think the seat was on anyone's radar. Yet Duffield proved it was no fluke by holding the seat in 2019 despite the national swing away from Labour. And this in a seat that had been solidly Tory since 1874 except for a brief dalliance in Dec 1910 with a maverick Independent Tory and kleptomaniac (I'm not making this up) who had apparently come under suspicion for the theft of the Irish crown jewels in 1907 (a crime still unsolved, and the jewels have never been recovered). So while I understand why she's incurred criticism, I still think it would be a great pity if she and the Labour Party came to a parting of the ways. Edited to add: For anyone interested in the 1907 theft -
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-62924392
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Post by batman on Sept 11, 2023 9:02:37 GMT
I've had enough of her antics, personally. If she is the Labour candidate in Canterbury, I hope she wins. If she isn't, I will be happier Is that because what she says is false, or is it true but entirely acceptable? I don't regard what she bangs on about as acceptable. I am no fundamentalist on trans issues by any means, and for example find it nigh impossible to regard Eddie Izzard as a woman. I don't instinctively believe that all I have to say is "I identify as a woman" and that that would make me a woman - it would not. Just as I do not believe that I can just say "I identify as Black" and then magically become Black & be accepted as such. But I find that Rosie Duffield goes much too far in the other direction and that she is prejudiced against trans people, and also that like Graham Linehan (which saddens me because I am a big Father Ted fan & have been for years) she is totally obsessive about the subject - OK maybe not quite to the extent that Linehan is, but going on that way - and causes needless offence to people who are blameless. If you mean about toadying to Starmer I couldn't even be bothered to read what she said about it, because I know full well what motivates her in saying that. And it isn't a socialist outlook. If she is prepared to accept the whip & policies of the Labour Party, and stay within the party's rules, then I will accept it (I don't really have an alternative do I) and however reluctantly wish her electoral success, as is my duty as a Labour Party member. I know people in her CLP who were formerly very supportive of her & she has really tried the patience of these members.
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Post by Sibboleth on Sept 11, 2023 9:10:49 GMT
I mean, for one thing, if we look at her complaints about newly promoted MPs never being in the Commons chamber, how would she know?
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Post by mattbewilson on Sept 11, 2023 9:31:19 GMT
Wouldn't this be a shame, though? I mean, when she won Canterbury in 2017 it was completely out of the blue - in fact, I distinctly recall that when when the result was flashed up on GE night my reaction was that some backroom bod had obviously pressed the wrong button, so I smiled and awaited an embarrassed correction that never came. After all, Julian Brazier had had a majority of nearly 10k in 2015 and I don't think the seat was on anyone's radar. Yet Duffield proved it was no fluke by holding the seat in 2019 despite the national swing away from Labour. And this in a seat that had been solidly Tory since 1874 except for a brief dalliance in Dec 1910 with a maverick Independent Tory and kleptomaniac (I'm not making this up) who had apparently come under suspicion for the theft of the Irish crown jewels in 1907 (a crime still unsolved, and the jewels have never been recovered). So while I understand why she's incurred criticism, I still think it would be a great pity if she and the Labour Party came to a parting of the ways. Edited to add: For anyone interested in the 1907 theft -
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-62924392Though a first time marginal there isn't that much difference between Canterbury and other university seats labour surprisingly won in 17 and even more surprisingly held in 19; Reading East, Sheffield Hallam, Bristol North West, Cardiff North, Warwick and Lemington Spa, etc.
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Post by The Bishop on Sept 11, 2023 9:34:32 GMT
The bit about colleagues being promoted to shadow cabinet despite little attendance in parliament sounds like something I'd say when I'm feeling particularly bitter It's quite an astounding accusation Which tend, on the whole, to be at least majorly exaggerated. Given the source, the likelihood of that being the case here is high.
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Post by mattbewilson on Sept 11, 2023 9:35:55 GMT
The bit about colleagues being promoted to shadow cabinet despite little attendance in parliament sounds like something I'd say when I'm feeling particularly bitter Minus Harry Potter and the slight personal edge it’s a reasonable description. Networks and networking matters. Knowledge about the brief is largely unnecessary or even undesirable. Presentational skills are far more important than any management or analytical ability. Conformity to core messages is essential. Workrate in parliament isn’t particularly critical. None of that’s surprising and MPs do have choices. Most grasp the personal sacrifices (if that’s what they are to a particular personality type) required to advance or choose one of the other paths - assiduous backbencher, localist, select committee specialist or ideology adherent. I read somewhere that your background has the opposite effect. You're more likely to be put in a post you're unfamiliar. Officially because it makes you a more well rounded person, unofficially so you don't outshine your colleagues
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Post by islington on Sept 11, 2023 9:44:16 GMT
Wouldn't this be a shame, though? I mean, when she won Canterbury in 2017 it was completely out of the blue - in fact, I distinctly recall that when when the result was flashed up on GE night my reaction was that some backroom bod had obviously pressed the wrong button, so I smiled and awaited an embarrassed correction that never came. After all, Julian Brazier had had a majority of nearly 10k in 2015 and I don't think the seat was on anyone's radar. Yet Duffield proved it was no fluke by holding the seat in 2019 despite the national swing away from Labour. And this in a seat that had been solidly Tory since 1874 except for a brief dalliance in Dec 1910 with a maverick Independent Tory and kleptomaniac (I'm not making this up) who had apparently come under suspicion for the theft of the Irish crown jewels in 1907 (a crime still unsolved, and the jewels have never been recovered). So while I understand why she's incurred criticism, I still think it would be a great pity if she and the Labour Party came to a parting of the ways. Edited to add: For anyone interested in the 1907 theft -
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-62924392Though a first time marginal there isn't that much difference between Canterbury and other university seats labour surprisingly won in 17 and even more surprisingly held in 19; Reading East, Sheffield Hallam, Bristol North West, Cardiff North, Warwick and Lemington Spa, etc. Hang on, though; none of those was anything like such a shock. The overturned majority in Canterbury, nearly 10k, was bigger than any of them. And except for Sheffield Hallam, which was taken from the Lib Dems not the Tories, all of them had returned Labour MPs in the fairly recent past.
So I think you're downplaying Rosie Duffield's achievement.
Edited to add: Of the seats you mention, the second largest 2015 majority overturned, after Canterbury with 9798, was Warwick & Leamington with 6606 - but that was a seat that had had a Labour MP until 2010.
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Post by matureleft on Sept 11, 2023 9:48:27 GMT
Minus Harry Potter and the slight personal edge it’s a reasonable description. Networks and networking matters. Knowledge about the brief is largely unnecessary or even undesirable. Presentational skills are far more important than any management or analytical ability. Conformity to core messages is essential. Workrate in parliament isn’t particularly critical. None of that’s surprising and MPs do have choices. Most grasp the personal sacrifices (if that’s what they are to a particular personality type) required to advance or choose one of the other paths - assiduous backbencher, localist, select committee specialist or ideology adherent. I read somewhere that your background has the opposite effect. You're more likely to be put in a post you're unfamiliar. Officially because it makes you a more well rounded person, unofficially so you don't outshine your colleagues There are reasons why ignorance might be preferable. It might keep the minister at a strategic level and away from operational delivery. It might increase the minister’s dependence on their advisers. It might discourage “going native” in a department. It might encourage objectivity in the inevitable interplay of interests within a ministry’s functions. Personally I’d regard some knowledge to be useful even with these perspectives and anyway regard the separation of strategy from delivery as a fault not a strength in politics.
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