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Post by mattbewilson on Jan 20, 2023 15:53:50 GMT
a major issue to people it affects the least
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Post by carlton43 on Jan 20, 2023 16:09:45 GMT
I don't see what's so brave about taking an anti-trans line that'll have practically the entire British media falling over saying you're right. Standing up to the majority in your party who are giving her a hard time and in certain cases intimidation and open abuse for what she believes to be right and correct.
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Post by aargauer on Jan 20, 2023 16:11:47 GMT
That may say more about you than about the issue. And inversely , about you! That he doesn't have an unusual fascination with the genitalia of strangers ?
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Post by carlton43 on Jan 20, 2023 16:20:41 GMT
a major issue to people it affects the least Poverty and homelessness is a major issue to Labour MPs of course and rightly. Does it actually affect them?
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Post by mattbewilson on Jan 20, 2023 16:25:02 GMT
a major issue to people it affects the least Poverty and homelessness is a major issue to Labour MPs of course and rightly. Does it actually affect them? some of them yes. Jayne Dunn who stood for central was homeless for a time
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Jan 20, 2023 16:26:41 GMT
a major issue to people it affects the least Even then, there's a limit. Some of my trans friends who have transitioned as far as they want to and are now settled in the gender they want to be in don't especially focus their energies on the issue. They want people going through those situations for the first time to be well treated, but they're not especially focused on their right to use the toilet facilities they want to because they've been doing that for years without issue.
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Post by carlton43 on Jan 20, 2023 16:33:48 GMT
Poverty and homelessness is a major issue to Labour MPs of course and rightly. Does it actually affect them? some of them yes. Jayne Dunn who stood for central was homeless for a time That is nit-picking silly and you know it. I mean that an issue can be of vital importance without it actually affecting your own life. You know that is what I meant and you know that it is perfectly reasonable, possible and true. Stop havering.
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Post by mattbewilson on Jan 20, 2023 16:36:26 GMT
some of them yes. Jayne Dunn who stood for central was homeless for a time That is nit-picking silly and you know it. I mean that an issue can be of vital importance without it actually affecting your own life. You know that is what I meant and you know that it is perfectly reasonable, possible and true. Stop havering. I don't think it is nit picking anybody can find themselves in poverty and homeless. I've definitely not been able to pay my rent and bills
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Post by carlton43 on Jan 20, 2023 16:48:28 GMT
That is nit-picking silly and you know it. I mean that an issue can be of vital importance without it actually affecting your own life. You know that is what I meant and you know that it is perfectly reasonable, possible and true. Stop havering. I don't think it is nit picking anybody can find themselves in poverty and homeless. I've definitely not been able to pay my rent and bills You are just doubling down on the silliness. My point is general and the odd individual is irrelevant as you well know. One can take issue and place a high priority on them even if they have no personal relevance. Get over it. The males who made a life's work over women's suffrage for instance. I am entitled to consider the culture war at large to be my priority.
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Post by cj on Jan 20, 2023 17:21:45 GMT
It's a profoundly tedious culture war that distracts from real issues. That's a feature, not a bug
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Post by mattbewilson on Jan 20, 2023 18:12:19 GMT
I don't think it is nit picking anybody can find themselves in poverty and homeless. I've definitely not been able to pay my rent and bills You are just doubling down on the silliness. My point is general and the odd individual is irrelevant as you well know. One can take issue and place a high priority on them even if they have no personall relevance. Get over it. The males who made a life's work over women's suffrage for instance. I am entitled to consider the culture war at large to be my peiority. didn't realise I was talking to a man who has made it his life's work to fight for women's suffrage
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Post by Sandy on Jan 20, 2023 18:30:29 GMT
It's a profoundly tedious culture war that distracts from real issues. Seems to me that a real issue is in the eye of the beholder. And an issue on which the opposition is not just wrong, but actually hold an opinion as clownlike as saying that the earth is flat is worth fighting back against.
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Post by batman on Jan 20, 2023 19:47:03 GMT
In my opinion, which I fully appreciate many of you won't share, Rosie Duffield has been very fortunate to retain the Labour Whip without any warnings in the last 2 to 3 years. I'm no extremist on either side of this debate, but to me sometimes she has been very close to crossing the line of what I and many Labour Party members regard as acceptable language on this issue. I naturally have huge sympathy for her in terms of her being a victim of coercive control, and that's where her bravery was really shown - in her frank address to the House of Commons describing her awful experiences. That however doesn't alter the fact that I think some of her language has at times either crossed the line, or been very close to it, and I for one will be relaxed about the prospect of her not standing again.
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Post by aargauer on Jan 20, 2023 20:01:55 GMT
In my opinion, which I fully appreciate many of you won't share, Rosie Duffield has been very fortunate to retain the Labour Whip without any warnings in the last 2 to 3 years. I'm no extremist on either side of this debate, but to me sometimes she has been very close to crossing the line of what I and many Labour Party members regard as acceptable language on this issue. I naturally have huge sympathy for her in terms of her being a victim of coercive control, and that's where her bravery was really shown - in her frank address to the House of Commons describing her awful experiences. That however doesn't alter the fact that I think some of her language has at times either crossed the line, or been very close to it, and I for one will be relaxed about the prospect of her not standing again. Starmer presumably doesn't want to be drawn into this particular fight by disciplining her. Tactically doing nothing is sensible for the Labour Party.
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Post by mattbewilson on Jan 20, 2023 20:14:08 GMT
There are certain things that the party can't act on because of optics. Rosie Duffield is one of them. I suspect had this been another MP talking about a less contentious issue and floating conversations about invitations they've had to join another party then there would have been a dressing down
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Post by carlton43 on Jan 20, 2023 21:03:33 GMT
You are just doubling down on the silliness. My point is general and the odd individual is irrelevant as you well know. One can take issue and place a high priority on them even if they have no personall relevance. Get over it. The males who made a life's work over women's suffrage for instance. I am entitled to consider the culture war at large to be my peiority. didn't realise I was talking to a man who has made it his life's work to fight for women's suffrage You have quite a talent for utter gormlessness there. You must cherish that and nourish it. It may be all you have?
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Post by carlton43 on Jan 20, 2023 21:14:31 GMT
And inversely , about you! That he doesn't have an unusual fascination with the genitalia of strangers ? I have less than zero interest in the genitalia of strangers, unless out life drawing; then I try to 'get them right'!
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Post by aargauer on Jan 20, 2023 21:20:54 GMT
That he doesn't have an unusual fascination with the genitalia of strangers ? I have less than zero interest in the genitalia of strangers, unless out life drawing; then I try to 'get them right'! Let's hope there's no transgender models in your life class!
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Post by mattbewilson on Jan 20, 2023 21:49:37 GMT
didn't realise I was talking to a man who has made it his life's work to fight for women's suffrage You have quite a talent for utter gormlessness there. You must cherish that and nourish it. It may be all you have? constructive...
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Post by carlton43 on Jan 20, 2023 21:54:08 GMT
You have quite a talent for utter gormlessness there. You must cherish that and nourish it. It may be all you have? constructive... Thanks. I like to be of service and to please.
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