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Post by Disgusted Of Tunbridge Wells on Jun 30, 2022 19:44:05 GMT
Well, it's an raw, unevidenced dislike of many of the new intake that many 2019 intake Tory MPs (e.g. prime example in Jonathan Gullis) that many on the left have - I dislike his Conservative values as I do all Conservative MPs, but he has a particular style which I find very uncouth and he looks inbred. Both assertions I realise are unscientific and somewhat ridiculous, but it's an instinctive method of reasoning that led me to that conclusion. Scott Benton fairly comfortably outdoes Gullis for uncouthness God knows what a Yorkshireman with those type of views is doing in Blackpool anyway!
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Jul 18, 2022 19:05:05 GMT
Edwards back in Plaid although not yet in the Parliamentary Party.
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Post by andrewp on Jul 19, 2022 8:57:41 GMT
Not exactly a defection
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Post by matureleft on Jul 19, 2022 9:06:24 GMT
Assuming that there’s no subsequent explanation that is supportive of the party that’s an extremely serious step he’s taken which suggests long-term severance from the Tories.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jul 19, 2022 9:08:04 GMT
So that's Mordaunt down by another 1 vote already
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Post by iain on Jul 19, 2022 9:08:27 GMT
Assuming that there’s no subsequent explanation that is supportive of the party that’s an extremely serious step he’s taken which suggests long-term severance from the Tories. Click on the tweet - he was meeting the President of Moldova (but was told to cancel and return).
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Post by nodealbrexiteer on Jul 19, 2022 9:09:49 GMT
Rupert Allason rides again!
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Post by ricmk on Jul 19, 2022 9:15:34 GMT
If Johnson had taken sexual assault half as seriously as he takes personal loyalty, he would probably be remaining as PM.
Surely Ellwood will be back on day 1 of the new leadership?
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Post by No Offence Alan on Jul 19, 2022 9:21:03 GMT
Assuming that there’s no subsequent explanation that is supportive of the party that’s an extremely serious step he’s taken which suggests long-term severance from the Tories. Click on the tweet - he was meeting the President of Moldova (but was told to cancel and return). So, like Priti Patel, was he running a personal foreign policy?
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Post by matureleft on Jul 19, 2022 9:25:11 GMT
Assuming that there’s no subsequent explanation that is supportive of the party that’s an extremely serious step he’s taken which suggests long-term severance from the Tories. Click on the tweet - he was meeting the President of Moldova (but was told to cancel and return). Indeed. But confidence votes are regarded as tests of loyalty to the government. He was told well ahead. He won’t be readmitted readily even under a new leader - that would give a very poor message about collective discipline. And, while meeting the President of Moldova might be a good thing it wouldn’t be any more consequential than turning up to vote. He’s a select committee chair not a minister and appears to have been visiting freelance (rather than as part of the committee).
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Post by iain on Jul 19, 2022 9:37:33 GMT
Click on the tweet - he was meeting the President of Moldova (but was told to cancel and return). Indeed. But confidence votes are regarded as tests of loyalty to the government. He was told well ahead. He won’t be readmitted readily even under a new leader - that would give a very poor message about collective discipline. And, while meeting the President of Moldova might be a good thing it wouldn’t be any more consequential than turning up to vote. He’s a select committee chair not a minister and appears to have been visiting freelance (rather than as part of the committee). Though several other MPs also didn't attend - so sounds like a bit of personal score settling rather than a principled decision.
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Post by Chris from Brum on Jul 19, 2022 9:38:28 GMT
"Lib Dems: Tory leadership hopefuls must restore whip The Liberal Democrats have accused Boris Johnson of being "petty" after he suspended Tobias Ellwood. Wendy Chamberlain, the party's chief whip, siad: "It is telling that Boris Johnson acted swiftly to punish Tobias Ellwood this time, but dragged his feet for days when it came to suspending the whip from his loyal supporter Chris Pincher. “This petty act shows there is no room in the Conservatives any more for those who refuse to prop up Johnson. The Conservative leadership candidates should condemn this move and make clear they will restore the whip to Tobias Ellwood."" www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/07/19/tory-leadership-vote-today-sunak-badenoch-truss-penny-mordaunt/Maybe the LDs are hopeful of a defection. "Cat-murdering MP Ellwood joins Lib Dems". Hmmm ...
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Post by carlton43 on Jul 19, 2022 9:39:44 GMT
Rupert Allason rides again! That vote was a party matter and an abstention is unforgiveable. A vote against should be an immediate party expulsion followed by immediate deselection and selection of new candidate now. That sort of stupidity must not be tolerated. They got their way and the Johnson leadership is over. He won. No time to grandstand, ponce about and play silly buggers. It is not about him and his tender conscience. It is about regrouping round the new leader and showing a united front as they rebuild. He should be ashamed of himself. And he should be shamed and shunned by all other Conservative MPs.
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Post by matureleft on Jul 19, 2022 9:39:48 GMT
Indeed. But confidence votes are regarded as tests of loyalty to the government. He was told well ahead. He won’t be readmitted readily even under a new leader - that would give a very poor message about collective discipline. And, while meeting the President of Moldova might be a good thing it wouldn’t be any more consequential than turning up to vote. He’s a select committee chair not a minister and appears to have been visiting freelance (rather than as part of the committee). Though several other MPs also didn't attend - so sounds like a bit of personal score settling rather than a principled decision. Presumably with the consent of the whips. Of course Johnson would have taken this decision with relish but it is standard parliamentary discipline.
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Post by matureleft on Jul 19, 2022 9:43:16 GMT
He’s now made an emollient statement citing transport difficulties so, see my earlier post, he’s looking for a way back.
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Post by The Bishop on Jul 19, 2022 9:47:22 GMT
Indeed. But confidence votes are regarded as tests of loyalty to the government. He was told well ahead. He won’t be readmitted readily even under a new leader - that would give a very poor message about collective discipline. And, while meeting the President of Moldova might be a good thing it wouldn’t be any more consequential than turning up to vote. He’s a select committee chair not a minister and appears to have been visiting freelance (rather than as part of the committee). Though several other MPs also didn't attend - so sounds like a bit of personal score settling rather than a principled decision. There are usually a few *agreed* absences even from VONCs. This one evidently wasn't, and as already mentioned there is the Allason precedent. (he was of course re-admitted in due course, so that he could famously lose by 12 votes in the 1997 GE)
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Post by Merseymike on Jul 19, 2022 9:49:50 GMT
Though several other MPs also didn't attend - so sounds like a bit of personal score settling rather than a principled decision. Presumably with the consent of the whips. Of course Johnson would have taken this decision with relish but it is standard parliamentary discipline. So, if the whips could make allowances for others, why not him? Its clearly personal dislike, but I doubt Ellwood cares, as I'm sure he would have not wished to vote confidence in Johnson's government in any case. I don't really see him defecting, he is more of a Rory Stewart figure likely to be independent, though Richard Foord may well be dispatched to have a friendly word!
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Post by The Bishop on Jul 19, 2022 9:52:02 GMT
Presumably with the consent of the whips. Of course Johnson would have taken this decision with relish but it is standard parliamentary discipline. So, if the whips could make allowances for others, why not him? I suppose you would have to ask them, but there is surely also a good chance those people would have been "paired off" against absent opposition MPs as well.
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Post by greenhert on Jul 19, 2022 10:03:34 GMT
Indeed. But confidence votes are regarded as tests of loyalty to the government. He was told well ahead. He won’t be readmitted readily even under a new leader - that would give a very poor message about collective discipline. And, while meeting the President of Moldova might be a good thing it wouldn’t be any more consequential than turning up to vote. He’s a select committee chair not a minister and appears to have been visiting freelance (rather than as part of the committee). Though several other MPs also didn't attend - so sounds like a bit of personal score settling rather than a principled decision. In fact 55 MPs not from Sinn Fein did not attend (the vote of confidence result was 349 to 238; the Speaker only votes on these motions if there is a tie).
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Post by The Bishop on Jul 19, 2022 10:07:21 GMT
And again, I suspect all Tory/Labour/LibDem absences apart from Ellwood will have been previously agreed (can't say that for sure with other parties)
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