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Post by nodealbrexiteer on Jul 19, 2022 10:11:51 GMT
Though several other MPs also didn't attend - so sounds like a bit of personal score settling rather than a principled decision. There are usually a few *agreed* absences even from VONCs. This one evidently wasn't, and as already mentioned there is the Allason precedent. ( he was of course re-admitted in due course, so that he could famously lose by 12 votes in the 1997 GE)one of the most hilarious results of 1997
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Post by timmullen1 on Jul 19, 2022 10:15:11 GMT
Though several other MPs also didn't attend - so sounds like a bit of personal score settling rather than a principled decision. In fact 55 MPs not from Sinn Fein did not attend (the vote of confidence result was 349 to 238; the Speaker only votes on these motions if there is a tie). There looks to be a few Northern Ireland Members missing: the DUP were two down and SDLP one. Labour were 19 down (although Rushanara Ali’s been granted ill health leave), SNP were missing seven, LDs two, and only three of the nine Independents voted. I presume one Tory absence is he who shall not be named that’s agreed to stay away whilst he’s on police bail.
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Post by greenhert on Jul 19, 2022 10:24:07 GMT
In fact 55 MPs not from Sinn Fein did not attend (the vote of confidence result was 349 to 238; the Speaker only votes on these motions if there is a tie). There looks to be a few Northern Ireland Members missing: the DUP were two down and SDLP one. Labour were 19 down (although Rushanara Ali’s been granted ill health leave), SNP were missing seven, LDs two, and only three of the nine Independents voted. I presume one Tory absence is he who shall not be named that’s agreed to stay away whilst he’s on police bail.And furthermore this must be the same MP who keeps abstaining in the Conservative Party leadership contest.
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Jul 19, 2022 10:25:15 GMT
He’s now made an emollient statement citing transport difficulties so, see my earlier post, he’s looking for a way back. carlton43 is right, he shouldn't get one. At least not until near the election and only if he's been ultra loyal to the whip. The Johnson Ministry is over in a few weeks and grandstanding on an issue of confidence is unacceptable. Representing the Conservative Party is a privilege that should not be taken lightly.
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Post by matureleft on Jul 19, 2022 10:26:05 GMT
Presumably with the consent of the whips. Of course Johnson would have taken this decision with relish but it is standard parliamentary discipline. So, if the whips could make allowances for others, why not him? Its clearly personal dislike, but I doubt Ellwood cares, as I'm sure he would have not wished to vote confidence in Johnson's government in any case. I don't really see him defecting, he is more of a Rory Stewart figure likely to be independent, though Richard Foord may well be dispatched to have a friendly word! Yes, I’m sure that there was some discretion applied to some and not to him. But he nevertheless made a choice. Who paid for his trip? It doesn’t appear to have been a committee visit. And my impression is as yours - he’s likely to become semi-detached not an actual defector. That could lead to him losing his seat, but he may not care.
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Post by carlton43 on Jul 19, 2022 10:29:42 GMT
He’s now made an emollient statement citing transport difficulties so, see my earlier post, he’s looking for a way back. carlton43 is right, he shouldn't get one. At least not until near the election and only if he's been ultra loyal to the whip. The Johnson Ministry is over in a few weeks and grandstanding on an issue of confidence is unacceptable. Representing the Conservative Party is a privilege that should not be taken lightly. No. There must be no way back. Mainly as a serious warning to all others. But he is very expendable for quite a few reasons. Get shot of now.
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Post by Chris from Brum on Jul 19, 2022 10:32:58 GMT
"Cat-murdering MP Ellwood joins Lib Dems". Hmmm ... I thought it was manslaughter. Which papers do you think I have in mind here?
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Post by matureleft on Jul 19, 2022 10:33:30 GMT
Which Tories failed to vote? I see that Mercer was one.
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Post by pl on Jul 19, 2022 10:33:58 GMT
"Cat-murdering MP Ellwood joins Lib Dems". Hmmm ... I thought it was manslaughter. Catslaughter? Although that sounds worse. Much worse.
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Post by nodealbrexiteer on Jul 19, 2022 10:38:36 GMT
"Lib Dems: Tory leadership hopefuls must restore whip The Liberal Democrats have accused Boris Johnson of being "petty" after he suspended Tobias Ellwood. Wendy Chamberlain, the party's chief whip, siad: "It is telling that Boris Johnson acted swiftly to punish Tobias Ellwood this time, but dragged his feet for days when it came to suspending the whip from his loyal supporter Chris Pincher. “This petty act shows there is no room in the Conservatives any more for those who refuse to prop up Johnson. The Conservative leadership candidates should condemn this move and make clear they will restore the whip to Tobias Ellwood."" www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/07/19/tory-leadership-vote-today-sunak-badenoch-truss-penny-mordaunt/Maybe the LDs are hopeful of a defection. "Cat-murdering MP Ellwood joins Lib Dems". Hmmm ... was so tempted to put in a full blown anti cat comment
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Post by Merseymike on Jul 19, 2022 10:39:20 GMT
So, if the whips could make allowances for others, why not him? Its clearly personal dislike, but I doubt Ellwood cares, as I'm sure he would have not wished to vote confidence in Johnson's government in any case. I don't really see him defecting, he is more of a Rory Stewart figure likely to be independent, though Richard Foord may well be dispatched to have a friendly word! Yes, I’m sure that there was some discretion applied to some and not to him. But he nevertheless made a choice. Who paid for his trip? It doesn’t appear to have been a committee visit. And my impression is as yours - he’s likely to become semi-detached not an actual defector. That could lead to him losing his seat, but he may not care. Yes. he is well respected in his field, and wouldn't be short of alternative offers.
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Post by carolus on Jul 19, 2022 10:40:01 GMT
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Post by timmullen1 on Jul 19, 2022 10:40:10 GMT
There looks to be a few Northern Ireland Members missing: the DUP were two down and SDLP one. Labour were 19 down (although Rushanara Ali’s been granted ill health leave), SNP were missing seven, LDs two, and only three of the nine Independents voted. I presume one Tory absence is he who shall not be named that’s agreed to stay away whilst he’s on police bail.And furthermore this must be the same MP who keeps abstaining in the Conservative Party leadership contest. Although I thought previous leadership elections allowed for proxy voting?
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Post by greatkingrat on Jul 19, 2022 10:42:52 GMT
There looks to be a few Northern Ireland Members missing: the DUP were two down and SDLP one. Labour were 19 down (although Rushanara Ali’s been granted ill health leave), SNP were missing seven, LDs two, and only three of the nine Independents voted. I presume one Tory absence is he who shall not be named that’s agreed to stay away whilst he’s on police bail.And furthermore this must be the same MP who keeps abstaining in the Conservative Party leadership contest. Not necessarily. There was 100% turnout in the no confidence vote so he did take part in that and therefore presumably could take part in the leadership election as well (maybe by proxy). I'd assumed it was Boris himself who was the abstainer.
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Post by finsobruce on Jul 19, 2022 10:46:39 GMT
I thought it was manslaughter. Catslaughter? Although that sounds worse. Much worse. Ellwood's windows were broken in retaliation.
with a croquet mallet.
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Post by johnloony on Jul 19, 2022 10:51:11 GMT
Though several other MPs also didn't attend - so sounds like a bit of personal score settling rather than a principled decision. There are usually a few *agreed* absences even from VONCs. This one evidently wasn't, and as already mentioned there is the Allason precedent. (he was of course re-admitted in due course, so that he could famously lose by 12 votes in the 1997 GE) I doubt if that was the reason for the decision to give him the whip back
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Post by carlton43 on Jul 19, 2022 10:53:18 GMT
I thought it was manslaughter. Catslaughter? Although that sounds worse. Much worse. Felicide is the word you are in need of. It rather more seems to be the death of good wishes or an engagement?
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Post by nodealbrexiteer on Jul 19, 2022 10:56:15 GMT
Catslaughter? Although that sounds worse. Much worse. Ellwood's windows were broken in retaliation.
with a croquet mallet.
This post brought to mind this Blackadder quote-Thank you George, but if you don't mind, I'd rather have my tongue beaten wafer-thin by a steak tenderizer and then stapled to the floor with a croquet hoop.
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Post by carlton43 on Jul 19, 2022 11:00:33 GMT
Yes, I’m sure that there was some discretion applied to some and not to him. But he nevertheless made a choice. Who paid for his trip? It doesn’t appear to have been a committee visit. And my impression is as yours - he’s likely to become semi-detached not an actual defector. That could lead to him losing his seat, but he may not care. Yes. he is well respected in his field, and wouldn't be short of alternative offers. Mike, it is quite amazing how 'respected' and 'popular' Conservatives become when they rebel and show that they are not really conservative!
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Post by aargauer on Jul 19, 2022 11:06:00 GMT
Deserves 6 months on the naughty step and then to be let back in, or sooner if it can be shown that his transport woes were genuinely unexpected.
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