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Post by finsobruce on Oct 8, 2021 16:42:38 GMT
She didn't tell people to vote for other parties, though. She suggested they use their judgement to vote for pro-Remain candidates at the Euro elections. So, you've got one MP who said in a specific circumstance to consider not voting Labour, rather than a litany who advised people not to. If we're genuinely gonna play semantic games and look at a list of a dozen people elected as Labour MP's and claim that I'm making an unreasonable statement because they'd weren't technically Labour MP's at that point then fine I hold my hands up but everybody knows the effect was the same as if they were still Labour MP's Also for the record Hodge didnt just mouth off Labour she actually voted Tory in 2019, I obviously can't prove it but I was told by a moderate Labour MP who knows her personally so make of that what you willWas he in the polling booth with her?
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Post by rivers10 on Oct 8, 2021 16:44:27 GMT
False alarm everyone, the Labour MP in question only told people not to vote Labour in the other national election just a few months prior and then didn't actually revoke her statement at the next election So it's all ok How do you know she didn’t revoke it? Presumably she asked people to vote for her, and she also went to a number of marginal seats for Labour candidates (Stoke North for example). And your statement clearly said “at the last election” and then backed it up with a story that was not connected to the last election. Keep making things up, Jeffrey Archer made a fortune out of c**p fiction, so there’s obviously a market for you to exploit. Bye. The mental gymnastics on display here to justify what is plainly unacceptable behaviour for an MP in clear violation of our rulebook is actually quite fascinating For Margaret Hodge of all people as well, a woman so unpleasant she's single handedly stopped Starmer from disciplining Duffield for transphobia
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Post by rivers10 on Oct 8, 2021 16:46:11 GMT
If we're genuinely gonna play semantic games and look at a list of a dozen people elected as Labour MP's and claim that I'm making an unreasonable statement because they'd weren't technically Labour MP's at that point then fine I hold my hands up but everybody knows the effect was the same as if they were still Labour MP's Also for the record Hodge didnt just mouth off Labour she actually voted Tory in 2019, I obviously can't prove it but I was told by a moderate Labour MP who knows her personally so make of that what you willWas he in the polling booth with her? No but she told him/her They're close, you could probably guess who I'm referring to but I'm not gonna name them obviously
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Post by finsobruce on Oct 8, 2021 16:50:26 GMT
Was he in the polling booth with her? No but she told him/her They're close, you could probably guess who I'm referring to but I'm not gonna name them obviously Oh dear. heresay.
I'd give it up mate if I were you.
Hodge's and Corbyn's emnity almost certainly goes back to when she was leader of Islington Council (as a left winger, lest we forget) and Corbyn was a newly minted backbencher, with both of them presumably telling the other how to do their respective jobs.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Oct 8, 2021 17:01:07 GMT
Margaret Hodge still lives in Islington, but in Islington South and Finsbury, so would have been voting for Emily Thornberry not Jeremy Corbyn. And I don't think she has a problem with Emily Thornberry.
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Post by rivers10 on Oct 8, 2021 17:09:27 GMT
No but she told him/her They're close, you could probably guess who I'm referring to but I'm not gonna name them obviously Oh dear. heresay.
I'd give it up mate if I were you.
Hodge's and Corbyn's emnity almost certainly goes back to when she was leader of Islington Council (as a left winger, lest we forget) and Corbyn was a newly minted backbencher, with both of them presumably telling the other how to do their respective jobs.
I admit it's heresay but I trust the individual in question and they actually like Hodge so they weren't saying it to undermine her, plus I think deep down nobody would be even slightly surprised if Hodge of all people had voted Tory in 2019 Frankly I'm still astonished and disappointed she didn't sod off to TIG
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Post by finsobruce on Oct 8, 2021 17:14:11 GMT
Oh dear. heresay.
I'd give it up mate if I were you.
Hodge's and Corbyn's emnity almost certainly goes back to when she was leader of Islington Council (as a left winger, lest we forget) and Corbyn was a newly minted backbencher, with both of them presumably telling the other how to do their respective jobs.
I admit it's hearsay but I trust the individual in question and they actually like Hodge so they weren't saying it to undermine her, plus I think deep down nobody would be even slightly surprised if Hodge of all people had voted Tory in 2019 Frankly I'm still astonished and disappointed she didn't sod off to TIG See David's post below.
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Post by rivers10 on Oct 8, 2021 17:17:34 GMT
I admit it's hearsay but I trust the individual in question and they actually like Hodge so they weren't saying it to undermine her, plus I think deep down nobody would be even slightly surprised if Hodge of all people had voted Tory in 2019 Frankly I'm still astonished and disappointed she didn't sod off to TIG See David's post below. I saw his post but I don't really think it changes the dynamic, most politcally engaged people seem to get quite emotive about the value of their vote so even when they live in a safe seat and their vote makes no difference they still want to "make a statement" or some such
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Post by nodealbrexiteer on Oct 8, 2021 17:22:37 GMT
Margaret Hodge still lives in Islington, but in Islington South and Finsbury, so would have been voting for Emily Thornberry not Jeremy Corbyn. And I don't think she has a problem with Emily Thornberry.She'd have to get in line anyway behind me
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Post by finsobruce on Oct 8, 2021 17:24:52 GMT
I saw his post but I don't really think it changes the dynamic, most politcally engaged people seem to get quite emotive about the value of their vote so even when they live in a safe seat and their vote makes no difference they still want to "make a statement" or some such you have holed your own boat below the water line. The SS Hearsay is going down with all hands.
Presumably on this basis you believe that Corbyn voted Leave in the Referendum because lots of people think he did.
If Corbyn and Hodge took their feud to the House of Lords that would be great. Also make that particular body a good deal more entertaining.
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Post by finsobruce on Oct 8, 2021 17:25:12 GMT
Margaret Hodge still lives in Islington, but in Islington South and Finsbury, so would have been voting for Emily Thornberry not Jeremy Corbyn. And I don't think she has a problem with Emily Thornberry.She'd have to get in line anyway behind me Now don't you start.
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Post by rivers10 on Oct 8, 2021 17:35:45 GMT
I saw his post but I don't really think it changes the dynamic, most politcally engaged people seem to get quite emotive about the value of their vote so even when they live in a safe seat and their vote makes no difference they still want to "make a statement" or some such you have holed your own boat below the water line. The SS Hearsay is going down with all hands.
Presumably on this basis you believe that Corbyn voted Leave in the Referendum because lots of people think he did.
If Corbyn and Hodge took their feud to the House of Lords that would be great. Also make that particular body a good deal more entertaining.
I have no idea how Corbyn voted in the referendum, people I'm inclined to believe have said he voted remain but I don't know any of them personally so I can't exactly say I trust them The person who told me Hodge voted Tory though I do know personally and I definitely trust them. Given said persons relationship with Hodge they definitely know how she voted and logically they have zero reason to lie since their not political rivals, ergo I believe it and I'll leave it at that
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Post by stb12 on Oct 8, 2021 18:09:04 GMT
I never remember Hodge sounding particularly favourable towards the Tories even during the feud with Corbyn so it would be odd. Voting Lib Dem would seem more believable if she indeed didn’t vote Labour
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Post by finsobruce on Oct 8, 2021 18:14:32 GMT
I never remember Hodge sounding particularly favourable towards the Tories even during the feud with Corbyn so it would be odd. Voting Lib Dem would seem more believable if she indeed didn’t vote Labour But the story wouldn't be any good if that was the case.
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Post by timrollpickering on Oct 8, 2021 18:25:59 GMT
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Oct 9, 2021 2:45:16 GMT
In relation to the reports of the three potential Labour MP's defecting, both Rosie Duffield and the Conservatives have confirmed that she has been told through informal channels that she'd be welcomed in the Conservatives and that the Conservatives are supportive of her stance on trans issues. Duffield says she's grateful for the cross party support, but she's "Labour through and through". I get that opinion, I once held it but when you're in a position, as she is, where your own rabid party members are threatening you with death for believing that women shouldn't be forced to be around a penis when they're vulnerable, you have to pragmatically examine your options. She would not be threatened in the Conservatives, the Conservatives are a broad enough church to accommodate her economic and feminist views and she'd have a decent chance of holding her seat. She should think about it. www.thetimes.co.uk/article/labour-mp-rosie-duffield-offered-tory-whip-after-abuse-over-transgender-views-jpmm9lkgm
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Post by The Bishop on Oct 9, 2021 9:59:02 GMT
Er, are the "rabid" people "threatening" her actually Labour members?
We have been through this discussion often enough in the Corbyn years - the Labour party is not actually responsible for what every random on social media says.
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Post by rivers10 on Oct 9, 2021 10:12:55 GMT
Er, are the "rabid" people "threatening" her actually Labour members? We have been through this discussion often enough in the Corbyn years - the Labour party is not actually responsible for what every random on social media says. Its the same "rabid members" that Duffield herself admitted she didn't actually think would attempt to do any physical harm to her Honestly and these people call the left snowflakes
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Oct 9, 2021 10:34:12 GMT
In relation to the reports of the three potential Labour MP's defecting, both Rosie Duffield and the Conservatives have confirmed that she has been told through informal channels that she'd be welcomed in the Conservatives and that the Conservatives are supportive of her stance on trans issues. Duffield says she's grateful for the cross party support, but she's "Labour through and through". I get that opinion, I once held it but when you're in a position, as she is, where your own rabid party members are threatening you with death for believing that women shouldn't be forced to be around a penis when they're vulnerable, you have to pragmatically examine your options. She would not be threatened in the Conservatives, the Conservatives are a broad enough church to accommodate her economic and feminist views and she'd have a decent chance of holding her seat. She should think about it. www.thetimes.co.uk/article/labour-mp-rosie-duffield-offered-tory-whip-after-abuse-over-transgender-views-jpmm9lkgmShe's a corbynite basically isn't she? Even if not actually, then she was happy to be elected under his leadership twice in the last five years. Just because she may be at odds with her party over one (frankly very trivial) issue does not mean she would fit in the Conservatives. She's a leftie, a Socialist. The Conservative party is not broad enough to accommodate people like that and if it is it fucking well shouldn't be (I suspect it might already have become too broad when it was able to accommodate you)
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Oct 9, 2021 11:42:43 GMT
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