Harry Hayfield
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Oct 3, 2021 5:33:43 GMT
When it comes to Labour MP's defecting, this has been the direction of travel: 1972: Dick Taverne (Lincoln) defects to Democratic Labour (to the right of Labour nationally) 1974: Christopher Mayhew (Woolwich East) defects to Liberals (to the right of Labour nationally) 1979: Reg Prentice (Newham North East) defects to Conservatives 1981: 26 Labour MP's defect to the Social Democrats (to the right of Labour nationally) 1990: Dick Douglas (Dunfermline West) defects to SNP (to the left of Labour nationally) 2001: Paul Marsden (Shrewsbury) defects to Liberal Democrats (to the left of Labour nationally) 2019: 8 Labour MP's defect to Change UK (to the right of Labour nationally)
Any defection from Lab will be in the opposite way to which Labour is placed at the time of defection, therefore as Labour is travelling to the right under Sir Keir, defecting to the Conservatives makes very litle sense indeed for any left wing Labour MP's.
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CatholicLeft
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Post by CatholicLeft on Oct 3, 2021 7:08:44 GMT
Doesn't seem like the words of somebody about to defect to the Tories:
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CatholicLeft
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Post by CatholicLeft on Oct 3, 2021 7:14:49 GMT
I'd wonder about pro-Brexit Blue Labour types like Jon Cruddas and Graham Stringer. I was thinking of those two. Really? Jon Cruddas? You must be joking. Also, Graham Stringer is not in any way in a marginal seat under threat from the Tories and, whilst rejoicing in his maverick-role, is not a fan of this government.
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ricmk
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Post by ricmk on Oct 3, 2021 8:01:55 GMT
A further reason this is just stirring by the Mail on Sunday, is that this is appearing in the Mail on Sunday.
If there was a serious prospect they would shut up about it as every CLP chair who is nervous will be on the phone to their MP. If it’s serious then the conversations will be private to announcement and a leak would jeopardise them.
Several posters have commented this makes no sense politically; it also makes no sense tactically.
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Post by Rutlander on Oct 3, 2021 8:12:49 GMT
A successful bit of pot-stirring by the MoS, it seems to me - and the Left has always loved looking for potential traitors.
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European Lefty
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Post by European Lefty on Oct 3, 2021 9:02:49 GMT
It's the "to the Conservatives" bit that I have trouble with. I can well imagine that there are 3 MPs waiting to defect but not to the Tories
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Post by nw12398 on Oct 3, 2021 9:14:19 GMT
As for other likely candidates amongst the three, Graham Stringer given his staunch Euroscepticism. Something that doesn't get as much attention as it should is that Stringer is also a trustee of the "Global Warming Policy Forum", a Tufton Street operation which rejects scientific consensus on global warming. Labour have even appointed him to the Science and Technology Select Committee. A very Hoey-esque figure who seems to remain in Labour only because he represents a safe Labour seat, but perhaps goes unnoticed because his minimal appearance on general/social media.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Oct 3, 2021 9:19:40 GMT
It's the "to the Conservatives" bit that I have trouble with. I can well imagine that there are 3 MPs waiting to defect but not to the Tories Indeed so. While ex-Labour MPs do sometimes turn up in the Conservative Party, it is typically only after a period of independence or in a smaller party. In the last 50 years only two people have ever been Conservative MPs after being Labour MPs. One was in the Social Democratic Party for nearly a decade in between. The other had a year sitting as a Labour MP but effectively acting as an Independent, and was specifically recruited and guided by a Conservative MP who had been a cross-party friend. An even more impressive fact to note is that in more recent times, four ex-Labour MPs have become Conservative-adjacent peers (taking a peerage on a Conservative nomination after cutting ties with Labour), but all sit as non-affiliated and their voting patterns are very different. Lord Walney probably votes with Labour more often than with the Conservatives. Lord Mann is just as likely to back Labour as to back the Conservatives. Baroness Hoey is usually with the Conservatives but not always. Only Lord Austin of Dudley seems to have avoided voting against the Conservative line (and he votes much less often than any of the others).
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Post by No Offence Alan on Oct 3, 2021 9:20:59 GMT
Diane Abbott, because of Labour now wanting to tax private schools?
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Post by matureleft on Oct 3, 2021 9:48:52 GMT
As for other likely candidates amongst the three, Graham Stringer given his staunch Euroscepticism. Something that doesn't get as much attention as it should is that Stringer is also a trustee of the "Global Warming Policy Forum", a Tufton Street operation which rejects scientific consensus on global warming. Labour have even appointed him to the Science and Technology Select Committee. A very Hoey-esque figure who seems to remain in Labour only because he represents a safe Labour seat, but perhaps goes unnoticed because his minimal appearance on general/social media. I recall him as a fairly left leader of Manchester City Council, and then an unexceptional junior Blair minister.
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The Bishop
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Post by The Bishop on Oct 3, 2021 9:54:18 GMT
It's the "to the Conservatives" bit that I have trouble with. I can well imagine that there are 3 MPs waiting to defect but not to the Tories Tbh my first thought was R*s*e D*f*i*l*, but her denials - for now anyway - do seem to be pretty categorical. There is one other name mentioned on here who *might* be plausible.....
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CatholicLeft
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Post by CatholicLeft on Oct 3, 2021 10:46:08 GMT
It's the "to the Conservatives" bit that I have trouble with. I can well imagine that there are 3 MPs waiting to defect but not to the Tories Tbh my first thought was R*s*e D*f*i*l*, but her denials - for now anyway - do seem to be pretty categorical. There is one other name mentioned on here who *might* be plausible..... Diane Abbot? Naaa, can't see it myself
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Post by oldhamexile on Oct 3, 2021 11:09:08 GMT
It's the "to the Conservatives" bit that I have trouble with. I can well imagine that there are 3 MPs waiting to defect but not to the Tories Tbh my first thought was R*s*e D*f*i*l*, but her denials - for now anyway - do seem to be pretty categorical. There is one other name mentioned on here who *might* be plausible..... IMHO Graham Stringer would be the number one bet. Number two bet Khalid Mahmood. But I think Twitter have perhaps got the wrong Rosie – as an outside bet, how about Rosie Cooper (probably best known as the target of a 'far right terrorist plot', which was in truth not much more than a deranged constituent's fantasy). Ms Cooper was a Lib Dem until 1999, and rebelled against the Labour line on Brexit and 'gay marriage', which (oddly) is regarded in 2021 as a left-right litmus issue. Both Ms Cooper and Stringer are 71 and perhaps likely to retire at the next GE. Neither would be remotely likely to get a peerage from Starmer, but if they defected... Khalid Mahmood is only 60 but hasn't had great health. Given the striking absence of Muslims on Tory benches, I'm sure Boris would love to give him a peerage and welcome him aboard, though having had a Jewish mistress for seventeen years and for various other reasons, Mahmood is hardly a typical or beloved representative of the British Muslim community. On balance I agree with the earlier post that this might be mischief-making by the MoS. But if there have been late night discussions/rumours over a glass or two, then might these be the three names mentioned?
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CatholicLeft
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Post by CatholicLeft on Oct 3, 2021 11:32:54 GMT
Tbh my first thought was R*s*e D*f*i*l*, but her denials - for now anyway - do seem to be pretty categorical. There is one other name mentioned on here who *might* be plausible..... IMHO Graham Stringer would be the number one bet. Number two bet Khalid Mahmood. But I think Twitter have perhaps got the wrong Rosie – as an outside bet, how about Rosie Cooper (probably best known as the target of a 'far right terrorist plot', which was in truth not much more than a deranged constituent's fantasy). Ms Cooper was a Lib Dem until 1999, and rebelled against the Labour line on Brexit and 'gay marriage', which (oddly) is regarded in 2021 as a left-right litmus issue. Both Ms Cooper and Stringer are 71 and perhaps likely to retire at the next GE. Neither would be remotely likely to get a peerage from Starmer, but if they defected... Khalid Mahmood is only 60 but hasn't had great health. Given the striking absence of Muslims on Tory benches, I'm sure Boris would love to give him a peerage and welcome him aboard, though having had a Jewish mistress for seventeen years and for various other reasons, Mahmood is hardly a typical or beloved representative of the British Muslim community. On balance I agree with the earlier post that this might be mischief-making by the MoS. But if there have been late night discussions/rumours over a glass or two, then might these be the three names mentioned? Rosie Cooper wouldn't even be on my radar - Brexit is supported by a number of left-wingers, and a number of left-wingers also voted the same way on the Marriage (Same Sex Couples) Act. She isn't a Tory. Khalid Mahmood was defending Angela Rayner's use of "Scum" on GB News. Just do not see it.
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timmullen1
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Post by timmullen1 on Oct 3, 2021 11:38:02 GMT
“A deranged constituent’s fantasy”? You mean the guy who got five years (on top of a life sentence he was already serving at HMP Birmingham after being convicted of attempted murder of his cellmate at a Ashworth Secure Hospital where he’d been sent after being convicted of indecent assault and threatening to kill a police officer) for threatening to kill and rape Cooper, Jess Phillips and Theresa May, and would later be charged with threatening to kill Johnson and Ms Symonds? Yeah, that was nothing at all. Or this one: www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/jack-renshaw-trial-jail-sentence-rosie-cooper-labour-neo-nazi-a8918206.html ?
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Post by rcronald on Oct 3, 2021 11:59:29 GMT
The two that I would have betted on are Stringer & Mahmoud like oldhamexile but Mahmoud is in a safe seat and unlikely to retire (if he was in a marginal I would have put actual money on him to do a Mann/Austin) and Stringer seems to be a bit too understated of a person to defect. In regard to other names that are floating here, Cruddas , Timms & Duffield are solidly left of centre on most issues and I would be more then surprised if they defected.
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Oct 3, 2021 12:02:18 GMT
It's the "to the Conservatives" bit that I have trouble with. I can well imagine that there are 3 MPs waiting to defect but not to the Tories Tbh my first thought was R*s*e D*f*i*l*, but her denials - for now anyway - do seem to be pretty categorical. There is one other name mentioned on here who *might* be plausible..... I have to say, the way Rosie Duffield is treated by brocialists such as yourself is pretty reprehensible. You could at least use her name. All she did, as a survivor of psychological and emotional abuse, is defend what she sees as important issues in women's safety.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 3, 2021 12:14:57 GMT
It's the "to the Conservatives" bit that I have trouble with. I can well imagine that there are 3 MPs waiting to defect but not to the Tories Tbh my first thought was R*s*e D*f*i*l*, but her denials - for now anyway - do seem to be pretty categorical. There is one other name mentioned on here who *might* be plausible..... Why are you putting stars in her name? You're not worried that you might summon her, are you?
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Post by stb12 on Oct 3, 2021 12:17:48 GMT
It's the "to the Conservatives" bit that I have trouble with. I can well imagine that there are 3 MPs waiting to defect but not to the Tories Tbh my first thought was R*s*e D*f*i*l*, but her denials - for now anyway - do seem to be pretty categorical. There is one other name mentioned on here who *might* be plausible..... I think you’re better than that childish act of putting someone’s name in stars
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The Bishop
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Post by The Bishop on Oct 3, 2021 12:29:58 GMT
Its a meme derived from her apparent habit of searching out uncomplimentary posts on social media.
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