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Post by The Bishop on Jan 28, 2013 12:38:07 GMT
It exemplifies the replacement of class politics by identity politics. This could destroy the Labour Party completely in less than a generation. Given the accuracy of so many of your past predictions, I think I will pass on that one  |
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Post by Philip Davies on Jan 28, 2013 14:54:33 GMT
I accidentally looked at the first few pages on this thread. Lots of inaccurate predictions there! Also some salient observations from Crimson King.
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Post by The Bishop on Jan 28, 2013 15:06:25 GMT
Even he didn't really stick his neck out and predict a GG win, though. The evidence that he only pulled away decisively in the last few days is IMO quite compelling.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2013 15:09:25 GMT
An important and honest report. Labour should by now have reexamined their election strategy in seats like this, but if they're showing their usual complacent attitude toward brown faces in northern Towns, it should be sent to each and ecru one if then
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Post by Philip Davies on Jan 28, 2013 16:14:19 GMT
How many other seats are like this one though? Not many and GG has already been MP for one of them.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2013 16:23:23 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2013 16:34:55 GMT
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Post by innocentabroad on Jan 28, 2013 17:41:49 GMT
It exemplifies the replacement of class politics by identity politics. This could destroy the Labour Party completely in less than a generation. Given the accuracy of so many of your past predictions, I think I will pass on that one I know. I've cost Smithson a bob or two. Mind you, that was on a Welsh by-election - why I thought I knew anything about what goes on there I've no idea.  And while it will affect all the major parties to some extent, I still think that Labour have the most to lose. |
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Post by The Bishop on Jan 28, 2013 17:51:32 GMT
Yeah, fair point - it *is* an excellent report and well worth reading by supporters of all parties and none (but yes, in particular my own)
But the bottom line is, surely, Bradford W is a very unusual seat and far from typical - and that isn't changing any time soon. And even there, only GG could have done it??
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jan 28, 2013 19:48:45 GMT
Moseley fizzled out long before we went to war with Italy and Germany so what would have become of him had we not gone to war is likely to be the same more or less as what did become of him. The differnece is that Galloway was not brought down by, but rather boosted by his association with regimes we were at war with. But of course we didn't have cities in the 1930s where half the population were Germans or Italians (even notwithstanding Little Germany, in Bradford)
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Jan 28, 2013 19:50:17 GMT
It exemplifies the replacement of class politics by identity politics. This could destroy the Labour Party completely in less than a generation. I'm not sure that's true on any level. 1. You can't separate class politics from identity politics. In much of the country, class has been adopted as an identity. Look at the steep fall in Conservative support on the outskirts of Merseyside, as middle-class incomers nevertheless manifest an identity that it is based upon working-class origins, for all that those holding the identity are less and less likely to actually be working clas. 2. Bradford West was about a lot more than identity politics, or Respect wouldn't have won every ward in the seat during the by-election. 3. Half the problem was a widespread opinion that Bradford's politicians were a useless waste of space and hadn't done anything for the local populace. That was at least as important an element of Respect's campaign as international issues, and it did to a large extent concentrate on class issues, as you would expect given the demographics of Bradford West. 4. It doesn't exemplify anything, because Bradford West's electoral behaviour has been bizarre for decades and because very few places have similar demographics. 5. No, it couldn't completely destroy the Labour Party in a generation. Even if that wasn't a profoundly silly piece of hyperbole, it's clear that Labour support is less and less tied to membership of a social group - look at our support by social class in 2010, for example. It's an interesting report and whilst I suspect it has application to only a handful of seats outside Bradford, there are a rather greater number of wards where it's likely relevant. Unfortunately, what it doesn't do is present any concrete programme, aside from giving candidates a little more freedom and doing a bit more political education. I'd like to hope Bradford West CLP is in the process of being sorted out, but I suspect we'd have heard if there had been major expulsions and in general that's the only way to resolve major problems of entryism. |
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2015 4:55:13 GMT
I thought hardly worth a fresh thread of its own at the moment, due to the fact George doesn't stand a chance of overturning the result But hey that doesn't stop him trying link to www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32685844 |
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