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Post by finsobruce on Feb 22, 2023 20:21:43 GMT
It's seats that count, as you should know from bitter experience. That aside, the nature of FPTP elections makes it very different to meaningfully compare vote percentages across elections when something fundamentally shifts in the party system, as FPTP forces electoral choices to be made at a constituency rather than national level. Otherwise you're left insisting that the 1931 election was no worse for Labour than the 1923 election, which is just absurd. it's a good thing they didn't have twitter in 1934 You might be surprised to the extent that letters pages in the papers (esp local ones) functioned in much the same way. |
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Post by bigfatron on Feb 22, 2023 21:41:20 GMT
Labour got 31% in 1987 and only 27.5% in 1983, so 2019 was not anywhere near their worst defeat since 1935... It's seats that count, as you should know from bitter experience. That aside, the nature of FPTP elections makes it very different to meaningfully compare vote percentages across elections when something fundamentally shifts in the party system, as FPTP forces electoral choices to be made at a constituency rather than national level. Otherwise you're left insisting that the 1931 election was no worse for Labour than the 1923 election, which is just absurd. Except that the original poster was making a point about minimum Tory vote percentages, not seat numbers. Had he been talking about seats, I would agree with everything you have said! |
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Post by owain on Feb 23, 2023 21:27:02 GMT
it's a good thing they didn't have twitter in 1934 You might be surprised to the extent that letters pages in the papers (esp local ones) functioned in much the same way. The (Manchester) Guardian I believe also essentially managed to do a live blog despite the fact it obviously had to be published in one go. (I do also suspect mindless social media scrolling has largely been replacing reading through the paper) |
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Post by andrewp on Feb 28, 2023 17:58:27 GMT
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Post by No Offence Alan on Feb 28, 2023 18:59:59 GMT
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Post by YL on Feb 28, 2023 19:24:59 GMT
I think YouGov are having a little dig at another polling company here: the wording of their anti-ECHR leading question is not original.
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Post by islington on Feb 28, 2023 19:39:14 GMT
It's seats that count, as you should know from bitter experience. That aside, the nature of FPTP elections makes it very different to meaningfully compare vote percentages across elections when something fundamentally shifts in the party system, as FPTP forces electoral choices to be made at a constituency rather than national level. Otherwise you're left insisting that the 1931 election was no worse for Labour than the 1923 election, which is just absurd. it's a good thing they didn't have twitter in 1934 It would be a good thing if we didn't have it in 2023. |
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Post by clyde1998 on Feb 28, 2023 21:00:56 GMT
I think YouGov are having a little dig at another polling company here: the wording of their anti-ECHR leading question is not original. It wouldn't be the first time either - I remember YouGov doing a piece about the balance of specific types of SNP voter, bad vote recall and its impact on independence VI back in 2014 in a direct dig at Survation. |
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Post by mattbewilson on Feb 28, 2023 21:50:06 GMT
it's a good thing they didn't have twitter in 1934 It would be a good thing if we didn't have it in 2023. tbf if it wasn't for the in your face confrontational charged behaviour I'd be a really useful tool for live moment by moment information |
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Post by robert1 on Mar 4, 2023 15:08:44 GMT
Although there is no sign that I can find of the weekly poll on the YouGov website there was reference to it in the Times Red Box.
The figures given are Con 25 +2, Lab 47 +1, LD 10 +1. (fieldwork 28.2-01.3)
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Post by andrewp on Mar 7, 2023 23:18:37 GMT
For completeness, the full YouGov numbers from last week
Lab: 47% (+1)
Con: 25% (+2)
Lib Dem: 10% (+1)
Reform: 6% (-2)
Green: 5% (-2)
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Starmer: 32% (+2)
Sunak: 26% (+1)
Fieldwork: 28 Feb - 1 March, changes with 21-22 Feb
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Post by andrewp on Mar 17, 2023 11:14:27 GMT
Another YouGov. The changes don’t match the last poll from them that we have recorded, so I think we have missed one
Westminster voting intention:
LAB 46% (+1)
CON 27% (+4)
LDEM: 9% (-1)
GRN: 6% (-1)
REF: 6% (-1)
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Post by mattbewilson on Mar 17, 2023 11:46:36 GMT
Another YouGov. The changes don’t match the last poll from them that we have recorded, so I think we have missed one Westminster voting intention: LAB 46% (+1) CON 27% (+4) LDEM: 9% (-1) GRN: 6% (-1) REF: 6% (-1) might be if it was commissioned by someone else |
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Post by The Bishop on Mar 17, 2023 12:21:46 GMT
Yes, last week's poll got missed on here (it did indeed show Lab 45 Con 23, both down 2 on the previous survey)
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Post by robert1 on Mar 17, 2023 13:40:19 GMT
That appears to be the highest Conservative Party rating on YouGov since they fell off the cliff last September.
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Post by The Bishop on Mar 17, 2023 13:51:47 GMT
That appears to be the highest Conservative Party rating on YouGov since they fell off the cliff last September. It is, though by a single point I think (just to get a bit of perspective) |
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Post by pl on Mar 17, 2023 14:00:18 GMT
That appears to be the highest Conservative Party rating on YouGov since they fell off the cliff last September. I have been wondering if local campaigning ahead of May will firm up some of those "Don't Knows" into Conservatives in the opinion polls. I'm sure a good chunk of "Don't Know" Postal Voters are going Cons at by elections. |
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Post by andrewp on Mar 24, 2023 11:13:54 GMT
Westminster voting intention:
LAB: 49% (+3)
CON: 23% (-4)
LDEM: 10% (-1)
GRN: 6% (-)
REF: 6% (-)
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Post by batman on Mar 24, 2023 13:17:58 GMT
Quite a lot of polls out today & yesterday. Do we know which was sampled the most recently? The narrative in the last couple of days has been poorer for the Tories than it has for roughly the fortnight before.
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