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Jul 20, 2020 20:52:35 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2020 20:52:35 GMT
I think it's a bit more complicated than that. The usual view I've heard from feminist women on this subject is that they would fear sexual harassment from men if they were topless on a beach, in a swimming pool, or in a park. This is not an issue in reverse to anything like the same extent.
I've been to the Platja de la Mar Bella in Barcelona, which by convention is regarded as a nude beach for gay men. At no point did it ever even occur to me to worry about unwanted attention -- and besides, there's plenty of rather athletic men around who could easily take any intruders to task. There is no nude beach for lesbians in such a prominent location, and I'm not convinced it's simply that lesbians don't want to get in the sea naked; the reality is that they'd at least have to worry about bother from stag parties, amongst other things.
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Jul 21, 2020 8:02:48 GMT
Post by mboy on Jul 21, 2020 8:02:48 GMT
That would be covered by the difference between ‘acceptable’ and ‘safe’. The public understands that distinction.
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Post by mboy on Jul 23, 2020 21:01:44 GMT
Can’t find the poll it comes from.
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Jul 28, 2020 13:38:23 GMT
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Jul 28, 2020 13:38:23 GMT
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Aug 7, 2020 14:17:44 GMT
Post by johng on Aug 7, 2020 14:17:44 GMT
Starmer now outperforming Johnson with Yougov. Labour still six points behind though.
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Aug 7, 2020 15:04:32 GMT
Post by middyman on Aug 7, 2020 15:04:32 GMT
When you consider that Boris has had to cope with serious illness, the economic effects of the virus, principally rising unemployment, the rising boat-people crisis, being the bearer of bad news re lockdowns etc, the fact that dealing with a novel virus was bound to give rise to mistakes and criticism well-founded or not, if I were the leader of the opposition and only two points ahead, I would be asking questions.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Aug 7, 2020 15:50:53 GMT
That's very naive. Johnson's personal ratings soared when he was taken ill because that gave him genuine personal sympathy. In a national crisis like Coronavirus, the nation tends to come together to support its national institutions and that normally means the government's poll rating improves.
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Aug 7, 2020 15:57:22 GMT
Post by middyman on Aug 7, 2020 15:57:22 GMT
That's rose-tinted spectacles. There is a difference between bombs going off etc and an invisible virus. This has been going on now beyond the patience of many. Yes, initial sympathy when he become ill followed by an initial understanding when he came back, which wore thin as time passed and he was expected to make a recovery faster than fuller than is reasonable.
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Aug 7, 2020 16:16:21 GMT
Post by Daft H'a'porth A'peth A'pith on Aug 7, 2020 16:16:21 GMT
Because the Corbyn legacy is still a dead weight on Labours poll rating, and thereby on his successors poll ratings.
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Aug 7, 2020 16:25:42 GMT
Post by middyman on Aug 7, 2020 16:25:42 GMT
Because the Corbyn legacy is still a dead weight on Labours poll rating, and thereby on his successors poll ratings. Possibly, but how long to shake off the image and to become “the new broom”?
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Post by Daft H'a'porth A'peth A'pith on Aug 7, 2020 16:32:13 GMT
Because the Corbyn legacy is still a dead weight on Labours poll rating, and thereby on his successors poll ratings. Possibly, but how long to shake off the image and to become “the new broom”?
After the virus plus 18 months. I think Covid is delaying Starmer making a bigger impact.
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Post by timmullen1 on Aug 7, 2020 16:42:04 GMT
Possibly, but how long to shake off the image and to become “the new broom”?
After the virus plus 18 months. I think Covid is delaying Starmer making a bigger impact.
Maybe not 18 months, but if campaigning can resume ahead of May next year that’s when battle can truly be joined. I think at the moment it’s give Johnson the rope, watch him proverbially hang himself, and when people can truly see how deep in the mire we are plunging then he can start outlining “well this is his we should be getting out of it” alternatives.
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Post by johng on Aug 7, 2020 16:54:33 GMT
When you consider that Boris has had to cope with serious illness, the economic effects of the virus, principally rising unemployment, the rising boat-people crisis, being the bearer of bad news re lockdowns etc, the fact that dealing with a novel virus was bound to give rise to mistakes and criticism well-founded or not, if I were the leader of the opposition and only two points ahead, I would be asking questions. I think you know that's wrong. Governments globally received big boosts to their poll ratings at the start of Covid. Johnson's was boosted even further by his illness and then the birth of his child.
The real effects of the virus and recession are yet to be felt. Mass redundancies simply haven't happened yet because of the furlough scheme. With that winding down, it's inevitable that winter unemployment is going to rise dramatically. It won't just be in Britain, but across Europe wherever countries withdraw furlough support schemes.
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Aug 7, 2020 18:16:33 GMT
Post by middyman on Aug 7, 2020 18:16:33 GMT
When you consider that Boris has had to cope with serious illness, the economic effects of the virus, principally rising unemployment, the rising boat-people crisis, being the bearer of bad news re lockdowns etc, the fact that dealing with a novel virus was bound to give rise to mistakes and criticism well-founded or not, if I were the leader of the opposition and only two points ahead, I would be asking questions. I think you know that's wrong. Governments globally received big boosts to their poll ratings at the start of Covid. Johnson's was boosted even further by his illness and then the birth of his child.
The real effects of the virus and recession are yet to be felt. Mass redundancies simply haven't happened yet because of the furlough scheme. With that winding down, it's inevitable that winter unemployment is going to rise dramatically. It won't just be in Britain, but across Europe wherever countries withdraw furlough support schemes.
Well, whether unemployment has risen yet or not, the media are stuffed full of reports of job losses.
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Post by tonygreaves on Aug 7, 2020 20:04:22 GMT
I could put this as a comment on any of the polls at the moment but it is this. These are exceptional times but it does not necessarily mean that they will produce exceptional polling figures - just yet. New governments usually get a six month plus honeymoon period when people basically answer the question as if it were "how did you vote?" It starts to fade over the second six months but it usually takes longer than that for any major changes to take place and any hint of "mid-term" to set in. In addition Brexit has not yet happened in practice (even though we have "left the EU" and ever since 2015 Brexit has blocked a lot of the usual polling patterns. I think that by now we would be starting to see see effects in local government by-elections, the most volatile of actual elections but of course we do not know whether that would be the case. Of course I am not sure any of this is right - these are strange times!
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Aug 7, 2020 21:23:39 GMT
Post by Daft H'a'porth A'peth A'pith on Aug 7, 2020 21:23:39 GMT
When it comes down to it, is there any point in supporting opposition parties that are not opposing anything the government does at all?
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Aug 8, 2020 18:43:18 GMT
Post by tonygreaves on Aug 8, 2020 18:43:18 GMT
When it comes down to it, is there any point in supporting opposition parties that are not opposing anything the government does at all? That is not wholly accurate but it is a fair point.
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Post by Adam in Stroud on Aug 8, 2020 19:22:52 GMT
When it comes down to it, is there any point in supporting opposition parties that are not opposing anything the government does at all? There's something in this, but the other side of the coin is that there aren't many hard policy choices to die on a hill over, unless you want to go all out for herd immunity or something (i.e. some sort of policy position which, right or wrong, would be electorally very risky.) I don't think that'd be smart politics at this point in the electoral cycle. When hard economic and fiscal choices have to be made it will be easier to put forward a distinctive policy position and in the meantime the game is to chip away at the voters' trust in the competence and probity of the government, to the point that when there is a policy choice they are more willing to listen to the opposition than the govt.
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Aug 8, 2020 22:06:04 GMT
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Post by Daft H'a'porth A'peth A'pith on Aug 8, 2020 22:06:04 GMT
Smart politics, for the oppositions to not object to anything the government is doing at the moment. No. Scared politics. Scared of the press, Facebook and twitter, scared of the unreal world of social media.
In the real world many people want someone to push for common sense measures now, not support the over reactive measures of the press and government.
No point in voting Labour, Liberal Democrat or Green at national level at the moment as all they are saying is what the Conservative Party of government are saying, so you might as well vote Tory.
I notice you say at this point in the electoral cycle. But you don't actually know 2024 will be the next election. If its comes sooner then by being meek mice the opposition parties will have blown it.
In my opinion if an opposition party is sensibly brave now it will benefit longer term. However brave politicians no longer exist so the Conservatives are being given a free hand to set all agendas again a bad choice by all the opposition parties.
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Aug 8, 2020 23:23:16 GMT
Post by Adam in Stroud on Aug 8, 2020 23:23:16 GMT
Smart politics, for the oppositions to not object to anything the government is doing at the moment. No. Scared politics. Scared of the press, Facebook and twitter, scared of the unreal world of social media. In the real world many people want someone to push for common sense measures now, not support the over reactive measures of the press and government. No point in voting Labour, Liberal Democrat or Green at national level at the moment as all they are saying is what the Conservative Party of government are saying, so you might as well vote Tory. I notice you say at this point in the electoral cycle. But you don't actually know 2024 will be the next election. If its comes sooner then by being meek mice the opposition parties will have blown it. In my opinion if an opposition party is sensibly brave now it will benefit longer term. However brave politicians no longer exist so the Conservatives are being given a free hand to set all agendas again a bad choice by all the opposition parties. The point is that you can't vote for anyone now and won't be able to for at least 9 months.
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