Crimson King
Lib Dem
Be nice to each other and sing in tune
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Post by Crimson King on Jul 16, 2018 16:39:04 GMT
I think you've already made my point for me. Nope, still none the wiser. There are a number of ways to squeeze the third party vote, and all parties will do it. if you mean that the use of the '2 horse race' analogy says something special about us then I think that's stretching it a bit |
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Jul 16, 2018 21:03:18 GMT
Nope, still none the wiser. There are a number of ways to squeeze the third party vote, and all parties will do it. if you mean that the use of the '2 horse race' analogy says something special about us then I think that's stretching it a bit No, not the use of the analogy. But the Lib Dems tend to view elections as them versus whatever is locally dominant. Some of that is part and parcel of not being locally dominant, but with other parties there tends to be more of an idea of representing their core vote. That's not the case for the Lib Dems, because it's hard to say such a thing exists. |
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Post by lbarnes on Jul 17, 2018 13:06:12 GMT
There are a number of ways to squeeze the third party vote, and all parties will do it. if you mean that the use of the '2 horse race' analogy says something special about us then I think that's stretching it a bit No, not the use of the analogy. But the Lib Dems tend to view elections as them versus whatever is locally dominant. Some of that is part and parcel of not being locally dominant, but with other parties there tends to be more of an idea of representing their core vote. That's not the case for the Lib Dems, because it's hard to say such a thing exists. I've just whacked that into Google Translate To English and it just laughed at me. |
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Post by lbarnes on Jul 17, 2018 13:08:16 GMT
I'm sure I remember at least one case where the lots decided not just a seat, but also control of a council. But yes, the only way the RO can decide the election him/herself is by fixing the random method. Northumberland last year: vote-2012.proboards.com/thread/8432/northumberland?page=3Bury MBC a few years ago. The last vote of the night went to drawing lots and council control depended on it. |
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Post by lbarnes on Jul 17, 2018 13:11:53 GMT
Question: Am I right that technically, the Returning Officer can pick their preferred candidate in the case of a tie? Would they be likely to face repercussions if they did so? I think they used to be able to do that (decades ago) but now they have to do it by lot. It used to be the case that the Returning Officer had a casting vote. Many years ago it was also the case that the Returning Officer for each ward was a sitting Alderman and had often been elected originally in that same ward. And if the number of nominations was fewer than there were vacancies then incumbent members for the ward were co-opted back onto the council. |
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Post by Rutlander on Jul 17, 2018 13:59:42 GMT
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Post by gwynthegriff on Jul 17, 2018 17:25:51 GMT
Beat me to it! Councillor Alderman may not be around for long. Delightfully the Leicester Mercury report includes the words "as a councillor Councillor Alderman will have received the councillors' code of conduct" ... But not quite cynghanedd ... |
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Post by swanarcadian on Jul 17, 2018 17:31:40 GMT
Councillor Alderman...
Has there ever been an Alderman Councillor? (Councillor is also a surname, less common than Burgess).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2018 17:50:01 GMT
I just made the mistake of looking through his Facebook profile. It would be funny if it weren't so serious. |
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Post by finsobruce on Jul 17, 2018 17:51:10 GMT
Councillor Alderman... Has there ever been an Alderman Councillor? (Councillor is also a surname, less common than Burgess). I couldn't find any at a quick glance, but technically speaking all Aldermen were "Alderman councillors".  |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Jul 17, 2018 19:01:15 GMT
I just made the mistake of looking through his Facebook profile. It would be funny if it weren't so serious. Not on Theresa May's Christmas Card list I suspect ... |
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Post by tonygreaves on Jul 17, 2018 21:04:39 GMT
Two long-serving Councillors on Pendle BC were made Honorary Alderman. Then they decided to stand for election as Councillors again and got elected. Quite wrongly in my view.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jul 17, 2018 22:01:55 GMT
Two long-serving Councillors on Pendle BC were made Honorary Alderman. Then they decided to stand for election as Councillors again and got elected. Quite wrongly in my view. It is explicitly the purpose of honorary Aldermen that they are people who have completed their service on the council and do not intend to stand again. Though they are not actually disqualified. (s. 249 of the Local Government Act 1972 is the authorising statute) |
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Post by johnloony on Jul 18, 2018 1:21:43 GMT
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Sept 26, 2018 12:05:29 GMT
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