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Post by yellowperil on Jul 13, 2018 10:08:00 GMT
I have managed to get both Waveney results spectacularly wrong!
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Post by The Bishop on Jul 13, 2018 10:08:00 GMT
Pakefield (Waveney) result: CON: 43.8% (+11.9) LAB: 40.9% (-5.2) UKIP: 7.9% (+7.9) GRN: 4.4% (-8.3) LDEM: 3.0% (-6.3) Conservative GAIN from Labour. The results overall are far from the Conservative meltdown that many feared/ hoped for this week. I expected they would lose two seats they were defending, and they did. Though not the predicted two - their easy hold in Lewes was as surprising as the above result if anything. Elsewhere a much better result for Labour in Darlington than other recent byelections there, but a disturbingly high far right vote in Barnsley. (anybody shed some light on that?) |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jul 13, 2018 10:12:06 GMT
Gavin Felton, who was the D&V candidate, is quite well known in the town for charity fundraising - doing some very long sponsored walks for local causes. He's not, as so many of those who go on about armed forces veterans are, a 'Walt' - he was a Sergeant Major in the Army.
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Post by andrew111 on Jul 13, 2018 10:13:00 GMT
No I haven't misunderstood at all. The LDs characteristically claim that the 3rd party can't win, even when they are in a close or challenging 3rd place. They certainly have done so in elections where the 3rd party has actually won. They might choose not to do so in Oakham perhaps. In my experience Labour invariably pretend they are fighting the Tories in local elections and ignore the Lib Dems in their leaflets, even when it is a Lib Dem Councillor standing for re-election. |
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Post by andrewp on Jul 13, 2018 10:14:15 GMT
The results overall are far from the Conservative meltdown that many feared/ hoped for this week. I expected they would lose two seats they were defending, and they did. Though not the predicted two - their easy hold in Lewes was as surprising as the above result if anything. Elsewhere a much better result for Labour in Darlington than other recent byelections there, but a disturbingly high far right vote in Barnsley. (anybody shed some light on that?) yes I agree with all of that. I expected them to lose Lewes and Rutland. |
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Post by yellowperil on Jul 13, 2018 10:17:21 GMT
I was always expecting a poorish LD result in that Lewes ward - it can be quite difficult to progress in a true-blue village ward where there the blue tradition has been a hard fought battle against LD dominance elsewhere and especially in Lewes town itself in this instance.The idea that there was going to be a Damascene conversion that made all the true blues suddenly realise the Lib Dems they had been fighting against for years were right all along... well not very likely really was it?
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Post by andrew111 on Jul 13, 2018 10:19:19 GMT
Aha. Classic LD stuff, including the pint of cider in the Red Lion. Well, I would have made sure it was a pint of Adnams. Not cider country at all! |
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Post by Rutlander on Jul 13, 2018 10:31:23 GMT
Aha. Classic LD stuff, including the pint of cider in the Red Lion. Well, I would have made sure it was a pint of Adnams. Not cider country at all! Aspall Cyder is close by. |
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Post by froome on Jul 13, 2018 10:34:29 GMT
It would be dodgy if they said the Tories "can't win here" though. It's embarrassing for them to finish 3rd but they still only lost by 14 votes. I think you misunderstand the cant win here message if you think it would be aimed at the Tories. Surely their leaflets will say the Independent can't win here. After all, all he could achieve was a tie.  |
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Post by Robert Waller on Jul 13, 2018 10:45:06 GMT
Yare is up on Britain elects
I'm out so shall let someone else link ...
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Post by robbienicoll on Jul 13, 2018 10:49:20 GMT
We don't have the raw numbers yet for Yare and Cockerton if anyone has them to hand.
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Post by The Bishop on Jul 13, 2018 10:50:44 GMT
I was always expecting a poorish LD result in that Lewes ward - it can be quite difficult to progress in a true-blue village ward where there the blue tradition has been a hard fought battle against LD dominance elsewhere and especially in Lewes town itself in this instance.The idea that there was going to be a Damascene conversion that made all the true blues suddenly realise the Lib Dems they had been fighting against for years were right all along... well not very likely really was it? Ah, so very much not part of "Greater Brighton" then!  |
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Post by robbienicoll on Jul 13, 2018 10:52:53 GMT
Pakefield, Waveney:
VIGO DI GALLIDORO, Melanie (C) - 643
TYACK, Paul (L) - 600
TRINDALL, Phillip (U) - 116
LANG, Peter (G) - 64
ROBERTSON, Adam (LD) - 44
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Post by middleenglander on Jul 13, 2018 10:57:27 GMT
We don't have the raw numbers yet for Yare and Cockerton if anyone has them to hand. Con 955 Labour 337 Liberal Democrat 182 |
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Post by robbienicoll on Jul 13, 2018 11:25:43 GMT
We don't have the raw numbers yet for Yare and Cockerton if anyone has them to hand. You missed Robert Waller reporting Cockerton some time ago. Here are the figures again : LAB: 51.0% (+7.9) CON: 22.0% (-2.8) LDEM: 9.6% (-5.5) IND: 8.5% (+8.5) FB: 5.8% (+5.8) GRN: 3.1% (-14.0) Labour HOLD. - which is a fairly good result for Labour. Was meaning the raw vote figures rather than percentages which I don't think have been posted, Darlington Council haven't posted the declaration online yet. |
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Post by andrewp on Jul 13, 2018 11:33:27 GMT
Cockerton raw numbers
Lab 555
Con 239
LD 104
Ind 93
FB 63
Green 34
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Post by markf on Jul 13, 2018 14:38:41 GMT
The results overall are far from the Conservative meltdown that many feared/ hoped for this week. I expected they would lose two seats they were defending, and they did. Though not the predicted two - their easy hold in Lewes was as surprising as the above result if anything. Elsewhere a much better result for Labour in Darlington than other recent byelections there, but a disturbingly high far right vote in Barnsley. (anybody shed some light on that?) If you,ve noticed in Barnsley over the last 10years the far right have always had next biggest vote to Labour in local elections |
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Post by Khunanup on Jul 14, 2018 14:26:33 GMT
I was always expecting a poorish LD result in that Lewes ward - it can be quite difficult to progress in a true-blue village ward where there the blue tradition has been a hard fought battle against LD dominance elsewhere and especially in Lewes town itself in this instance.The idea that there was going to be a Damascene conversion that made all the true blues suddenly realise the Lib Dems they had been fighting against for years were right all along... well not very likely really was it? Ah, so very much not part of "Greater Brighton" then! Er, no. On the (East Sussex) eastern and northern sides 'Greater Brighton' pretty much doesn't exist beyond Peacehaven/Telscombe & Lewes itself. Partially because of geography, partially because Brighton itself is a London commuter town and partially because those northern and eastern areas are more expensive than Brighton and aren't particularly attractive to B&H overspill because their London transport links are worse and it's proper country living rather than oversized 'rural' villages. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jul 14, 2018 15:20:36 GMT
The results overall are far from the Conservative meltdown that many feared/ hoped for this week. I expected they would lose two seats they were defending, and they did. Though not the predicted two - their easy hold in Lewes was as surprising as the above result if anything. Elsewhere a much better result for Labour in Darlington than other recent byelections there, but a disturbingly high far right vote in Barnsley. (anybody shed some light on that?) Serioulsly you're worried about the BNP winning 2%? |
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Post by timmullen1 on Jul 14, 2018 15:41:54 GMT
I expected they would lose two seats they were defending, and they did. Though not the predicted two - their easy hold in Lewes was as surprising as the above result if anything. Elsewhere a much better result for Labour in Darlington than other recent byelections there, but a disturbingly high far right vote in Barnsley. (anybody shed some light on that?) Serioulsly you're worried about the BNP winning 2%? I think the 27% for Democrats and Veterans is included in the definition of “far right vote”. |
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