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Post by warofdreams on Jun 21, 2018 11:00:29 GMT
West Lothian, 1970, Tam Dalyell beat Billy Wolfe (SNP leader) and Michael Ancram (Con)
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Post by warofdreams on Jun 21, 2018 11:06:19 GMT
Belfast Falls, 1918, Joe Devlin (soon to be leader of the Irish Nationalists in Northern Ireland) beat Éamon de Valera - though de Valera stood in several seats at that election.
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Post by timrollpickering on Jun 21, 2018 11:07:25 GMT
West Lothian, 1970, Tam Dalyell beat Billy Wolfe (SNP leader) and Michael Ancram (Con) In fact Dalyell and Wolfe fought each other over seven elections in a row from 1962 to 1979. Later SNP candidates standing against Dalyell in (now) Linlithgow included Jim Sillars (1987) and Kenny MacAskill (1992, 1997). |
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Post by catking on Jun 21, 2018 12:05:21 GMT
Blears was the Labour candidate for Bury South in 1992 She was widely expected to win, and indeed came quite close to doing so. At that time she was very much considered a Labour left winger btw. Back on topic, surprising the 1982 Beaconsfield by-election hasn't been mentioned yet. And not just because of the Labour candidate..... She was selected almost 4 years before the election and put in a huge amount of work. Occassionally you still get people on the doorstep who mention her name.
She lost by 800 votes in the end, much to the surprise of David Sumberg who I think assumed he was toast.
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Post by johnloony on Jun 21, 2018 12:55:46 GMT
Cardiff South East, 1964. Lmao. My Craig book tells me that it was L. J[ames]. Callaghan and E. R. Dexter. Is that the cricketer Ted Dexter? |
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Jun 21, 2018 12:57:50 GMT
Four of the five candidates in the Clwyd West constituency in the 2003 National Assembly election were elected to the Assembly at that election.
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Post by Chris from Brum on Jun 21, 2018 13:19:29 GMT
Cardiff South East, 1964. Lmao. My Craig book tells me that it was L. J[ames]. Callaghan and E. R. Dexter. Is that the cricketer Ted Dexter? Yes. It was his one and only attempt at a parliamentary seat. Thereafter he resumed his cricket career, but was badly injured the following year and never fully came back. Any further involvement in politics was strictly in the context of cricketing politics, which some would say is more vicious than conventional party politics. |
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Post by Lord Twaddleford on Jun 21, 2018 15:08:07 GMT
Four of the five candidates in the Clwyd West constituency in the 2003 National Assembly election were elected to the Assembly at that election. Which in turn prompted the passage of a law that prevented Assembly candidates from standing as a constituency candidate & on the lists simultaneously (until its repeal in time for the 2016 elections)... |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2018 16:13:43 GMT
Four of the five candidates in the Clwyd West constituency in the 2003 National Assembly election were elected to the Assembly at that election. Which in turn prompted the passage of a law that prevented Assembly candidates from standing as a constituency candidate & on the lists simultaneously (until its repeal in time for the 2016 elections)... Which in turn created the all-star battle in the Rhondda. |
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Post by Lord Twaddleford on Jun 21, 2018 16:19:53 GMT
Which in turn prompted the passage of a law that prevented Assembly candidates from standing as a constituency candidate & on the lists simultaneously (until its repeal in time for the 2016 elections)... Which in turn created the all-star battle in the Rhondda. Of course, in the case of Leighton Andrews, even if he had opted to stand on the list and was given a high up placement, he wouldn't have made it back into the Assembly*. * And according to my calculations, he still wouldn't even if there were 8 list seats per region as opposed to the current 4. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2018 16:33:20 GMT
Which in turn created the all-star battle in the Rhondda. Of course, in the case of Leighton Andrews, even if he had opted to stand on the list and was given a high up placement, he wouldn't have made it back into the Assembly*. * And according to my calculations, he still wouldn't even if there were 8 list seats per region as opposed to the current 4.Do you know how many seats it would have taken to be for Peter Black/a Liberal Democrat to be elected? |
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Jun 21, 2018 16:52:04 GMT
Four of the five candidates in the Clwyd West constituency in the 2003 National Assembly election were elected to the Assembly at that election. Which in turn prompted the passage of a law that prevented Assembly candidates from standing as a constituency candidate & on the lists simultaneously (until its repeal in time for the 2016 elections)... Not the need to save all those Labour marginals? 😉 Odd how every Labour AM elected in 2003 also stood on a list and how the U.K. Govt never got around to introducing similar legislation in Scotland. |
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Post by timrollpickering on Jun 21, 2018 16:59:57 GMT
As I recall Scotland was the real target in an attempt to make it very hard for Alex Salmond to return to Holyrood. But the sheer blatant partisan nature of the proposal and the unconvincing fake moral outrage made it harder to pass there whereas they got it through for Wales in a quieter environment.
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Post by Lord Twaddleford on Jun 21, 2018 17:03:59 GMT
Of course, in the case of Leighton Andrews, even if he had opted to stand on the list and was given a high up placement, he wouldn't have made it back into the Assembly*. * And according to my calculations, he still wouldn't even if there were 8 list seats per region as opposed to the current 4.Do you know how many seats it would have taken to be for Peter Black/a Liberal Democrat to be elected? Looking back at my spreadsheet, in South Wales Central it looks like that the Lib Dems would've gotten in on the 5th list seat. Just for fun, the results of the 2016 Welsh Assembly election if all the regions had 8 list seats (constituency numbers and boundaries unchanged): North Wales| Party | Constituencies | List Seats | Total Seats | | Labour | 5 | 1 | 6 | | Conservative | 2 | 2 | 4 | | Plaid Cymru | 2 | 3 | 5 | | UKIP | 0 | 2 | 2 | | Liberal Democrats | 0 | 0 | 0 | | Totals: | 9 | 8 | 17 |
| Party | Constituencies | List Seats | Total Seats | | Labour | 1 | 2 | 3 | | Conservative | 3 | 1 | 4 | | Plaid Cymru | 3 | 2 | 5 | | UKIP | 0 | 2 | 2 | | Liberal Democrats | 1 | 1 | 2 | | Totals: | 8 | 8 | 16 |
| Party | Constituencies | List Seats | Total Seats | | Labour | 7 | 0 | 7 | | Conservative | 0 | 2 | 2 | | Plaid Cymru | 0 | 3 | 3 | | UKIP | 0 | 2 | 2 | | Liberal Democrats | 0 | 1 | 1 | | Totals: | 7 | 8 | 15 |
| Party | Constituencies | List Seats | Total Seats | | Labour | 7 | 0 | 7 | | Conservative | 0 | 3 | 3 | | Plaid Cymru | 1 | 3 | 4 | | UKIP | 0 | 1 | 1 | | Liberal Democrats | 0 | 1 | 1 | | Totals: | 8 | 8 | 16 |
| Party | Constituencies | List Seats | Total Seats | | Labour | 7 | 0 | 7 | | Conservative | 1 | 2 | 3 | | Plaid Cymru | 0 | 3 | 3 | | UKIP | 0 | 3 | 3 | | Liberal Democrats | 0 | 0 | 0 | | Totals: | 8 | 8 | 16 |
| Party | Constituencies | List Seats | Total Seats | | Labour | 27 | 3 | 30 | | Conservative | 6 | 10 | 16 | | Plaid Cymru | 6 | 14 | 20 | | UKIP | 0 | 10 | 10 | | Liberal Democrats | 1 | 3 | 4 | | Totals: | 40 | 40 | 80 |
Such results make for some interesting Assembly scenarios, don't you think?  |
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Post by Lord Twaddleford on Jun 21, 2018 17:08:17 GMT
Which in turn prompted the passage of a law that prevented Assembly candidates from standing as a constituency candidate & on the lists simultaneously (until its repeal in time for the 2016 elections)... Not the need to save all those Labour marginals? 😉 Odd how every Labour AM elected in 2003 also stood on a list and how the U.K. Govt never got around to introducing similar legislation in Scotland. Personally I have no objection to candidates standing for the constituency and on the list at the same time, I think that the Labour leadership was riled by seeing so many of the opposing candidates for Clwyd West get reprieved by the list. Were it up to me, I'd dial up the amount of list seats to equal the amount of constituencies (for Wales as a whole) and have my party push its list vote a little bit harder. |
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Post by greenhert on Jun 21, 2018 21:05:26 GMT
Do you know how many seats it would have taken to be for Peter Black/a Liberal Democrat to be elected? Looking back at my spreadsheet, in South Wales Central it looks like that the Lib Dems would've gotten in on the 5th list seat. Just for fun, the results of the 2016 Welsh Assembly election if all the regions had 8 list seats (constituency numbers and boundaries unchanged): North Wales| Party | Constituencies | List Seats | Total Seats | | Labour | 5 | 1 | 6 | | Conservative | 2 | 2 | 4 | | Plaid Cymru | 2 | 3 | 5 | | UKIP | 0 | 2 | 2 | | Liberal Democrats | 0 | 0 | 0 | | Totals: | 9 | 8 | 17 |
| Party | Constituencies | List Seats | Total Seats | | Labour | 1 | 2 | 3 | | Conservative | 3 | 1 | 4 | | Plaid Cymru | 3 | 2 | 5 | | UKIP | 0 | 2 | 2 | | Liberal Democrats | 1 | 1 | 2 | | Totals: | 8 | 8 | 16 |
| Party | Constituencies | List Seats | Total Seats | | Labour | 7 | 0 | 7 | | Conservative | 0 | 2 | 2 | | Plaid Cymru | 0 | 3 | 3 | | UKIP | 0 | 2 | 2 | | Liberal Democrats | 0 | 1 | 1 | | Totals: | 7 | 8 | 15 |
| Party | Constituencies | List Seats | Total Seats | | Labour | 7 | 0 | 7 | | Conservative | 0 | 3 | 3 | | Plaid Cymru | 1 | 3 | 4 | | UKIP | 0 | 1 | 1 | | Liberal Democrats | 0 | 1 | 1 | | Totals: | 8 | 8 | 16 |
| Party | Constituencies | List Seats | Total Seats | | Labour | 7 | 0 | 7 | | Conservative | 1 | 2 | 3 | | Plaid Cymru | 0 | 3 | 3 | | UKIP | 0 | 3 | 3 | | Liberal Democrats | 0 | 0 | 0 | | Totals: | 8 | 8 | 16 |
| Party | Constituencies | List Seats | Total Seats | | Labour | 27 | 3 | 30 | | Conservative | 6 | 10 | 16 | | Plaid Cymru | 6 | 14 | 20 | | UKIP | 0 | 10 | 10 | | Liberal Democrats | 1 | 3 | 4 | | Totals: | 40 | 40 | 80 |
Such results make for some interesting Assembly scenarios, don't you think? I believe the Greens would also have won a list seat in 2012 had there been 8 list seats instead of 4 in South Wales Central (they were over the 5% threshold there). The imbalance between SMCs and list seats in the Welsh Assembly needs to be corrected (2 SMCs per list seat is not really proportional in practice). The Scottish Parliament has a much better balance. |
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Post by Lord Twaddleford on Jun 21, 2018 21:34:48 GMT
Looking back at my spreadsheet, in South Wales Central it looks like that the Lib Dems would've gotten in on the 5th list seat. Just for fun, the results of the 2016 Welsh Assembly election if all the regions had 8 list seats (constituency numbers and boundaries unchanged): North Wales| Party | Constituencies | List Seats | Total Seats | | Labour | 5 | 1 | 6 | | Conservative | 2 | 2 | 4 | | Plaid Cymru | 2 | 3 | 5 | | UKIP | 0 | 2 | 2 | | Liberal Democrats | 0 | 0 | 0 | | Totals: | 9 | 8 | 17 |
| Party | Constituencies | List Seats | Total Seats | | Labour | 1 | 2 | 3 | | Conservative | 3 | 1 | 4 | | Plaid Cymru | 3 | 2 | 5 | | UKIP | 0 | 2 | 2 | | Liberal Democrats | 1 | 1 | 2 | | Totals: | 8 | 8 | 16 |
| Party | Constituencies | List Seats | Total Seats | | Labour | 7 | 0 | 7 | | Conservative | 0 | 2 | 2 | | Plaid Cymru | 0 | 3 | 3 | | UKIP | 0 | 2 | 2 | | Liberal Democrats | 0 | 1 | 1 | | Totals: | 7 | 8 | 15 |
| Party | Constituencies | List Seats | Total Seats | | Labour | 7 | 0 | 7 | | Conservative | 0 | 3 | 3 | | Plaid Cymru | 1 | 3 | 4 | | UKIP | 0 | 1 | 1 | | Liberal Democrats | 0 | 1 | 1 | | Totals: | 8 | 8 | 16 |
| Party | Constituencies | List Seats | Total Seats | | Labour | 7 | 0 | 7 | | Conservative | 1 | 2 | 3 | | Plaid Cymru | 0 | 3 | 3 | | UKIP | 0 | 3 | 3 | | Liberal Democrats | 0 | 0 | 0 | | Totals: | 8 | 8 | 16 |
| Party | Constituencies | List Seats | Total Seats | | Labour | 27 | 3 | 30 | | Conservative | 6 | 10 | 16 | | Plaid Cymru | 6 | 14 | 20 | | UKIP | 0 | 10 | 10 | | Liberal Democrats | 1 | 3 | 4 | | Totals: | 40 | 40 | 80 |
Such results make for some interesting Assembly scenarios, don't you think? I believe the Greens would also have won a list seat in 2012 had there been 8 list seats instead of 4 in South Wales Central (they were over the 5% threshold there). The imbalance between SMCs and list seats in the Welsh Assembly needs to be corrected (2 SMCs per list seat is not really proportional in practice). The Scottish Parliament has a much better balance. For the 2011 Assembly Elections (not 2012) I have the Greens winning representation in South Wales Central on the 8th Seat. For that very same election, I also have UKIP gaining representation in North Wales (in on the 8th Seat) and South Wales East (in on the 7th Seat). Labour would've also won List representation in North Wales (1 seat), South Wales West (2 seats), and South Wales East (2 seats) in 2011 had there been twice the amount of list seats available per region. I also have the BNP winning seats in 2007, 1 seat each in North Wales and South Wales East.
Also, there is strictly speaking no threshold to the lists for elections to the Welsh Assembly and Scottish Parliament, unlike with the London Assembly.
I've actually done calculations for a hypothetical 80 member Welsh Assembly at a systemwide 1:1 Constituency to List Member ratio for evey single election to that body. Might actually get round to publishing the results somewhen, perhaps. |
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Post by spqr on Jun 22, 2018 1:09:48 GMT
West Lothian, 1970, Tam Dalyell beat Billy Wolfe (SNP leader) and Michael Ancram (Con) In fact Dalyell and Wolfe fought each other over seven elections in a row from 1962 to 1979. Later SNP candidates standing against Dalyell in (now) Linlithgow included Jim Sillars (1987) and Kenny MacAskill (1992, 1997). And he beat them all! |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jun 22, 2018 11:05:54 GMT
Yes. It was his one and only attempt at a parliamentary seat. Thereafter he resumed his cricket career, but was badly injured the following year and never fully came back. Any further involvement in politics was strictly in the context of cricketing politics, which some would say is more vicious than conventional party politics. I can't remember who it was who said he'd been both on the Conservative Party's national committee (whatever it was called at the time) and on the MCC committee, and the Tories were raging Communists compared with the MCC. Under Theresa May's leadership that statement still holds true and that is when MCC stands for Marylebone Communist Collective |
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Post by timrollpickering on Oct 14, 2018 11:58:52 GMT
We've covered some of these already but Winston Churchill fought quite a few in his many elections, mainly in the first half of his career:
1899 - Oldham by-election
* Walter Runciman (Liberal), later a high flying Cabinet minister in the Asquith and National governments
* Alfred Emmott (Liberal), later a low profile Cabinet minister at the start of the First World War.
Churchill's Conservative running mate was James Mawdsley, a former chairman of the TUC and general secretary of the cotton spinners' union.
1900 - Oldham
* Emmott & Runicman again.
1906 - Manchester North West
* William Joynson-Hicks (Conservative), later Home Secretary in the 1924-1929 Conservative gocernment.
1908 - Manchester North West by-election
* Joynson-Hicks again.
1908 - Dundee by-election
* Edwin Scrymgeour, Prohibitionist
* G.H. Stuart-Bunning (Labour~ish *), prominent trade unionist, founder of the Civil Service Federation
(* Selected by the local party and endorsed by the Scottish executive, he was not endorsed by the National Executive Committee.)
1910 (January) - Dundee
* Scrymgeour again
Until 1922 Churchil ran in harness with Labour's Alex Wilkie, general secretary of the Ship Constructive and Shipwrights' Association and former chairman of the TUC.
1910 (December) - Dundee
* Scrymgeour & Wilkie again
1917 - Dundee by-election
* Scrymgeour again
1918 - Dundee
* Scrymgeour & Wilkie again
1922 - Dundee
* Scrymgeour again, now basically the second Labour candidate
* E.D. Morel (Labour) - journalist and leading pacifist
* Willie Gallacher - Communist, later Churchill's favourite Communist during the war
1923 - Leicester West
* Frederick Pethick-Lawrence (Labour), acting Leader of the Opposition in 1942, one of the last Secretaries of State for India
1924 - Westminster Abbey by-election
* Otho Nicholson (Conservative), mayor of Finsbury, nephew of the deceased member
* Fenner Brockway (Labour), journalist and pacifist campaigner
Things got more peaceful in Epping/Woodford.
1959 - Woodford
* Arthur Latham (Labour), later leader of Havering council
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