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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2019 23:29:05 GMT
Every hour seems get better for Die Linke and worse for the CDU That's because the rural areas come in first and the cities later. All that's left now are a handful of postal boxes in Erfurt, Weimar and Jena and the FDP have 5,0003% of the vote, very squeaky bum time. does seem to have improved for the cdu
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 28, 2019 8:55:01 GMT
Final seat totals for the Thuringian election of 2019: Die Linke: 29 (+1) AfD: 22 (+11) CDU: 21 (-13) SPD: 8 (-4) Green: 5 (-1) FDP: 5 (+5) First election of significance in Germany this year where the Greens have lost seats instead of gaining them. Thüringen must be the only Land where neither the CDU nor the SDP are either the largest or second-largest party (discounting Bayern where the CSU stand instead of the CDU). In fact, I'm not sure that has happened ever. Incredible.
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Post by yellowperil on Oct 28, 2019 9:35:46 GMT
Final seat totals for the Thuringian election of 2019: Die Linke: 29 (+1) AfD: 22 (+11) CDU: 21 (-13) SPD: 8 (-4) Green: 5 (-1) FDP: 5 (+5) First election of significance in Germany this year where the Greens have lost seats instead of gaining them. Thüringen must be the only Land where neither the CDU nor the SDP are either the largest or second-largest party (discounting Bayern where the CSU stand instead of the CDU). In fact, I'm not sure that has happened ever. Incredible. Presumably that comment refers to the second sentence rather than the first, which cannot be quite so rare?
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Post by greenhert on Oct 28, 2019 16:01:15 GMT
Final seat totals for the Thuringian election of 2019: Die Linke: 29 (+1) AfD: 22 (+11) CDU: 21 (-13) SPD: 8 (-4) Green: 5 (-1) FDP: 5 (+5) First election of significance in Germany this year where the Greens have lost seats instead of gaining them. Thüringen must be the only Land where neither the CDU nor the SDP are either the largest or second-largest party (discounting Bayern where the CSU stand instead of the CDU). In fact, I'm not sure that has happened ever. Incredible. It is the first time it has happened in the modern era of German politics i.e. since the 1990 reunification of Germany.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 28, 2019 16:08:19 GMT
In fact, I'm not sure that has happened ever. Incredible. It is the first time it has happened in the modern era of German politics i.e. since the 1990 reunification of Germany. I'm not sure it has happened since the advent of the CDU. Every Land has had one of them in government since 1949 as far as I know. In fact, it was not even an overly common occurrence under Weimar for neither the SPD nor a CDU/CSU predecessor party to be in government in a state.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Oct 28, 2019 16:17:59 GMT
It's a shame that excellent Weimnar elections site disappeared without trace*. You may have seen a similar situation in somewhere like Saxony in the 1920s with the KPD and NSDAP both being strong, but I've no idea
* I actually printed off large tracts from that site - it was the early days of the internet for me and I didn't expect stuff like that to stay around forever. I've similarly got reams of election results printed off from Adam Carr's website. I laughed at myself subsequently for doing that, but then in the Weimar case I was vindicated. Don't think I would have printed Landtag elections though
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Oct 28, 2019 16:42:30 GMT
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 28, 2019 17:07:50 GMT
It's a shame that excellent Weimnar elections site disappeared without trace*. You may have seen a similar situation in somewhere like Saxony in the 1920s with the KPD and NSDAP both being strong, but I've no idea * I actually printed off large tracts from that site - it was the early days of the internet for me and I didn't expect stuff like that to stay around forever. I've similarly got reams of election results printed off from Adam Carr's website. I laughed at myself subsequently for doing that, but then in the Weimar case I was vindicated. Don't think I would have printed Landtag elections though Much missed. Didn't it go even further down to provincial Landtag level, particularly in Prussia, or was that a different site? I remember a site that had the full results for places like Lower Silesia and Bavarian Palatinate.
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Post by Sibboleth on Oct 28, 2019 17:13:18 GMT
It's a shame that excellent Weimnar elections site disappeared without trace*. You may have seen a similar situation in somewhere like Saxony in the 1920s with the KPD and NSDAP both being strong, but I've no idea * I actually printed off large tracts from that site - it was the early days of the internet for me and I didn't expect stuff like that to stay around forever. I've similarly got reams of election results printed off from Adam Carr's website. I laughed at myself subsequently for doing that, but then in the Weimar case I was vindicated. Don't think I would have printed Landtag elections though Much missed. Didn't it go even further down to provincial Landtag level, particularly in Prussia, or was that a different site? I remember a site that had the full results for places like Lower Silesia and Bavarian Palatinate. This site still exists but only now has data for states and Prussian provinces - it used to have a databank that went down to municipal level but it went offline many years ago.
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Post by Georg Ebner on Oct 28, 2019 20:06:20 GMT
It's a shame that excellent Weimnar elections site disappeared without trace*. You may have seen a similar situation in somewhere like Saxony in the 1920s with the KPD and NSDAP both being strong, but I've no idea * I actually printed off large tracts from that site - it was the early days of the internet for me and I didn't expect stuff like that to stay around forever. I've similarly got reams of election results printed off from Adam Carr's website. I laughed at myself subsequently for doing that, but then in the Weimar case I was vindicated. Don't think I would have printed Landtag elections though Presently focussed entirely on my Austria i didn't ask prof. J.W.Falter (univ.Mainz) for the link recently, but i hope - i myself cannot open it with my "old" iPhone - You can find his data here: dbk.gesis.org/dbksearch/sdesc2.asp?no=8013&db=e&doi=10.4232/1.8013Being the specialist for NSDAP-voters he wrote several interesting articles (also in English).
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Post by greenhert on Oct 28, 2019 23:50:19 GMT
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Post by myth11 on Oct 29, 2019 1:17:40 GMT
The FDP are a very different beast compared to the UK Lib dems for example. The German Free Democratic Party (FDP) wants to “end the sustained subsidies system of the [Renewable Energy Act] EEG” with its priority grid access and feed-in tariffs for renewables, writes the party in its draft programme for the autumn federal elections. The EEG’s goal to introduce renewable energies into the market has long been reached and renewables must face the rules of the market “with all opportunities and risks”, writes FDP. The competition in the free market should be guiding the decision of which source or technology contributes to Germany’s energy supply, instead of renewables development targets. I can not see the UK Lib dems agreeing to the above.
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Post by Georg Ebner on Oct 29, 2019 19:58:37 GMT
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Post by Georg Ebner on Oct 29, 2019 20:04:11 GMT
It's a shame that excellent Weimnar elections site disappeared without trace*. You may have seen a similar situation in somewhere like Saxony in the 1920s with the KPD and NSDAP both being strong, but I've no idea * I actually printed off large tracts from that site - it was the early days of the internet for me and I didn't expect stuff like that to stay around forever. I've similarly got reams of election results printed off from Adam Carr's website. I laughed at myself subsequently for doing that, but then in the Weimar case I was vindicated. Don't think I would have printed Landtag elections though Presently focussed entirely on my Austria i didn't ask prof. J.W.Falter (univ.Mainz) for the link recently, but i hope - i myself cannot open it with my "old" iPhone - You can find his data here: dbk.gesis.org/dbksearch/sdesc2.asp?no=8013&db=e&doi=10.4232/1.8013Being the specialist for NSDAP-voters he wrote several interesting articles (also in English). To my pleasure one member of this forum has already erected a personal account at this site. Perhaps we can expect some DistrictMaps?
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Post by Georg Ebner on Oct 29, 2019 20:13:33 GMT
Once agan Your UnEmployment-numbers are terribly outdated: Thüringen has ~5%, as Germany as a whole.
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Post by minionofmidas on Nov 2, 2019 11:18:13 GMT
The Greens hit rock bottom, reduced to their core vote in rural Thuringia, in line with their results across the rural East in the 2000s. The vaguely progressive floating voter that is currently voting Green elsewhere and presumably would in Thuringia in a federal election voted Left. Understandably. There really isn't much of a bobo/studenty inner urbane Greenleft milieu in Thuringia, though there are traces in Weimar and parts of Erfurt and particularly in Jena (which I have never been to). The Greens probably lost fewer of these votes to the Left than they did in Saxony or would in the West today, for related reasons, and that saved their skin. The Left certainly got some of these voters though. Gera represents an example of the GDR-built estatelands deserting the Left for the AfD (well kinda as the Left still polled above the statewide average and saved one of the two direct seats). On the other hand, there is another, smaller, heavily GDR-developped town in Thuringia that was a Left stronghold in the 2000s and that has an ancient history of ironmining (middle ages to late 19th century) and gunmaking (16th to late 20th century) and whose population curve looks like dees ...and Suhl didn't desert the Left for the AfD at all. Its modern economy is tourism-dependent, thanks to the location high up in the Thüringer Wald. It's the only reason I can think of. The question deserves further study.
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Post by Georg Ebner on Nov 2, 2019 14:25:25 GMT
The Greens hit rock bottom, reduced to their core vote in rural Thuringia, in line with their results across the rural East in the 2000s. The vaguely progressive floating voter that is currently voting Green elsewhere and presumably would in Thuringia in a federal election voted Left. Understandably. There really isn't much of a bobo/studenty inner urbane Greenleft milieu in Thuringia, though there are traces in Weimar and parts of Erfurt and particularly in Jena (which I have never been to). The Greens probably lost fewer of these votes to the Left than they did in Saxony or would in the West today, for related reasons, and that saved their skin. The Left certainly got some of these voters though. Gera represents an example of the GDR-built estatelands deserting the Left for the AfD (well kinda as the Left still polled above the statewide average and saved one of the two direct seats). On the other hand, there is another, smaller, heavily GDR-developped town in Thuringia that was a Left stronghold in the 2000s and that has an ancient history of ironmining (middle ages to late 19th century) and gunmaking (16th to late 20th century) and whose population curve looks like dees ...and Suhl didn't desert the Left for the AfD at all. Its modern economy is tourism-dependent, thanks to the location high up in the Thüringer Wald. It's the only reason I can think of. The question deserves further study. The Suhl-area is also not only linguistically a part of Franconia - many are commuting to Bavaria (although northern Franconia is economically not so glorious, too). And this might have helped paradoxically the LEFT as the left establishment-party they are these days. In the parts southeast of Suhl a sharp decrease in population is taking place, so AfD should have performed well there.
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Post by Toylyyev on Nov 6, 2019 14:46:11 GMT
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Post by Toylyyev on Dec 19, 2019 20:09:22 GMT
All three Kenyan parties have now voted for the coalition agreement in Saxony. And in Thuringia Ramelov's party has voted for a Red-Red-Green minority government which would be four seats short, and will hold talks with the SPD and the Greens. Both the CDU and the FDP have stated that they wouldn't support that. Which reminds the 'poppy note' phase in the recent Walloon government formation process. And yes civil society also got mentioned. web.de/magazine/politik/wahlen/landtagswahlen/thueringen/ramelow-notfall-regierung-parteilosen-experten-34214216That article also says that the CDU won't compete for the Minister-President job. I vaguely remember reading somewhere that it isn't straightforward to vote Ramelov out of office in the current situation, but have forgotten about the specifics. The corresponding vote seems to be in February.
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Post by carlton43 on Dec 20, 2019 14:59:35 GMT
All three Kenyan parties have now voted for the coalition agreement in Saxony. And in Thuringia Ramelov's party has voted for a Red-Red-Green minority government which would be four seats short, and will hold talks with the SPD and the Greens. Both the CDU and the FDP have stated that they wouldn't support that. Which reminds the 'poppy note' phase in the recent Walloon government formation process. And yes civil society also got mentioned. web.de/magazine/politik/wahlen/landtagswahlen/thueringen/ramelow-notfall-regierung-parteilosen-experten-34214216That article also says that the CDU won't compete for the Minister-President job. I vaguely remember reading somewhere that it isn't straightforward to vote Ramelov out of office in the current situation, but have forgotten about the specifics. The corresponding vote seems to be in February. Wow! Who is running Kenya?
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