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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2014 21:49:20 GMT
I'm with David on this one. Die Linke aren't the SED, however amusing it might be to call them that. We don't refer to the Labour Representation Committee, or the Ecologists, or the Alliance so why use an incorrect name in another country? It would be just as accurate to refer to them as the PDS. Although quite a few people (not necessarily on here) seem to delight in calling the LibDems Liberals, which always bugs me |
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Post by neilm on Sept 1, 2014 21:51:18 GMT
You're not in the SaLaDs now though, having joined the Ecology Party.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2014 22:25:19 GMT
You're not in the SaLaDs now though, having joined the Ecology Party. No, he's joined PEOPLE, which, lest we forget, was founded by a former Tory councillor inspired by an interview with Paul R. Ehrlich in Playboy Magazine, and counted Teddy Goldsmith as its most prominent member. |
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Post by maxque on Sept 1, 2014 22:30:54 GMT
Let's not act as if East Germany SPD, FDP and CDU is only made of people which were opposing the GDR. Some local politicians were cooperating with GDR and were in power locally before the reunification, changed label after it and continued to stay in power. Some people want power over all.
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Sept 2, 2014 17:07:11 GMT
When a third of the population were Stasi informers, assigning guilt is going to be relative at best and pointless at worst.
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Post by psephos on Sept 6, 2014 14:09:02 GMT
I'm with David on this one. Die Linke aren't the SED, however amusing it might be to call them that. We don't refer to the Labour Representation Committee, or the Ecologists, or the Alliance so why use an incorrect name in another country? It would be just as accurate to refer to them as the PDS. If I or others were to refer to the Labour Party as the LRC (pretty inaccurate as there is now a left wing pressure group called the LRC); the Greens as the Ecologists; or the Lib Dems as the Alliance, or to your party as "the Unionists", you would think I was being perverse, but you would have no shame or embarassment, and why should there be? You would just think I was odd. There is however shame in being a member of the utterly unapologetic successor party to the murderous dictator-party that was the SED. Die Linke are the direct descendants of the SED and its extra-party organisations like the Stasi. It refuses to accept the DDR was an inhuman police state that was the direct equivalent of N*zi+ Germany. This should be called out forever, or until they dissolve themselves out of shame (unlikely). If there was a party in the UK that was a pretty plain successor to the British Union of Fascists I would call it the BUF, whatever its real name. Why attack those who are calling out evil? + For some inexplicable reason this word is censored |
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Post by The Bishop on Sept 6, 2014 14:20:15 GMT
What about Die Linke supporters in the former FRG - in what way are they "SED"?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2014 14:37:34 GMT
What about Die Linke supporters in the former FRG - in what way are they "SED"? By the fact that they have chosen to vote for a party which has chosen to merge with that party. In the same way you could call a Lib Dem a liberal even if they were actually in the SDP. At the end of the day, they are a pretty foul party and I am sure the vast majority of the more sensible lefties on here wouldn't touch them with a bargepole. |
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Sept 6, 2014 17:20:49 GMT
Those currently at the top of Die Linke were either too young to be in the SED or had no notable career there. Those who did have notable careers in the SED were either drummed out of public life or had to decamp to smaller grouplets. Unlike the CDU and FDP units in the DDR (which get too much of a free pass from people who should know better), Die Linke didn't get the assets of its East German predecessors. It's the far-left party of record, which happens to be in some respects the lineal descendant of the SED. The former fact is much more relevant than the latter.
Can't say it bothers me that much, though. I think it's rather more revealing who does still get a rise out of it.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Sept 7, 2014 6:01:03 GMT
There are several notable ex-SED types at the top,most notably Gregor Gysi who was in the last politburo.
And the PDS did sue for the SED assets.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Sept 7, 2014 9:54:38 GMT
Latest poll for Thuringia:
CDU: 34
SPD: 16
PDS-WASG: 28
G/B90: 5
AfD: 7
NPD: 4
FDP: 3
Feasibly the FDP, the Fash, and the Greens could all be turfed out. Looks like another grand coalition.
Meanwhile in Brandenburg:
CDU: 24
SPD: 31
Die Linke: 22
G/B90: 6
AfD: 9
FDP: 2
Very good score for the AfD if repeated next week, and appalling for the FDP. The Pirates haven't registered above 2% since March.
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Sept 7, 2014 11:34:07 GMT
There are several notable ex-SED types at the top,most notably Gregor Gysi who was in the last politburo. And the PDS did sue for the SED assets. I forgot about Gysi. He's almost the only one, though, and his (very brief) role in the last Politburo was largely to dismantle the SED and the DDR. I'm not sure there's any great shame in playing the Gorbachev role. And the PDS sued because it wasn't given the assets. That itself is the difference. |
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Post by iainbhx on Sept 14, 2014 14:10:14 GMT
Are we all excited about Brandenburg and Thüringen then? No, neither are they, turnout in Brandenburg is reported to be looking low.
letzten Umfragen:
Brandenburg: SPD 32,5 (-) ; CDU 24 (+4); SED 20 (-7); AfD 9,5; GRÜ 5,5% (-), Others: 8,5 - the FDP are now down with the others
Thüringen: CDU 36 (+5); SED 26 (-1); SPD 16 (-2); AfD 8; GRÜ 5,5 (-), Others 8,5 - see above
bit of a late surge for the AfD especially in the Mark.
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Post by Devonian on Sept 14, 2014 14:15:36 GMT
Are we all excited about Brandenburg and Thüringen then? No, neither are they, turnout in Brandenburg is reported to be looking low. letzten Umfragen: Brandenburg: SPD 32,5 (-) ; CDU 24 (+4); SED 20 (-7); AfD 9,5; GRÜ 5,5% (-), Others: 8,5 - the FDP are now down with the others Thüringen: CDU 36 (+5); SED 26 (-1); SPD 16 (-2); AfD 8; GRÜ 5,5 (-), Others 8,5 - see above bit of a late surge for the AfD especially in the Mark. What time are the results expected? |
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Post by iainbhx on Sept 14, 2014 14:23:29 GMT
Are we all excited about Brandenburg and Thüringen then? No, neither are they, turnout in Brandenburg is reported to be looking low. letzten Umfragen: Brandenburg: SPD 32,5 (-) ; CDU 24 (+4); SED 20 (-7); AfD 9,5; GRÜ 5,5% (-), Others: 8,5 - the FDP are now down with the others Thüringen: CDU 36 (+5); SED 26 (-1); SPD 16 (-2); AfD 8; GRÜ 5,5 (-), Others 8,5 - see above bit of a late surge for the AfD especially in the Mark. What time are the results expected? The exit polls will be at 17:00 BST, the first results around 19:30 |
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Post by iainbhx on Sept 14, 2014 16:08:31 GMT
Here we go with the 18:00 Prognosen from ZDF
Brandenburg: SPD 32,5; CDU 23; SED 19,5; AfD 12; GRÜ 5,5 - FDP Raus. Turnout 50% down 17% !
Thüringen: CDU 34; SED 28; SPD 12,5; AfD 10; GRÜ 5,5 - FDP Raus Turnout 53% down 3.2%
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Post by iainbhx on Sept 14, 2014 16:13:54 GMT
Estimated seats:
Brandenburg: SPD 31, CDU 22, SED 19, AfD 11, GRÜ 5
Thüringen: CDU 33, SED 28, SPD 12, AfD 10, GRÜ 8 - Tasty.
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Post by iainbhx on Sept 14, 2014 16:33:58 GMT
Seems we should watch Teltow -Flaming III for a possible eruption of a FW Direktmandat for a popular former SPD member.
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Post by Devonian on Sept 14, 2014 17:01:00 GMT
Here we go with the 18:00 Prognosen from ZDF Brandenburg: SPD 32,5; CDU 23; SED 19,5; AfD 12; GRÜ 5,5 - FDP Raus. Turnout 50% down 17% ! Thüringen: CDU 34; SED 28; SPD 12,5; AfD 10; GRÜ 5,5 - FDP Raus Turnout 53% down 3.2% That looks like another good result for AfD |
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Post by iainbhx on Sept 14, 2014 17:04:52 GMT
Here we go with the 18:00 Prognosen from ZDF Brandenburg: SPD 32,5; CDU 23; SED 19,5; AfD 12; GRÜ 5,5 - FDP Raus. Turnout 50% down 17% ! Thüringen: CDU 34; SED 28; SPD 12,5; AfD 10; GRÜ 5,5 - FDP Raus Turnout 53% down 3.2% That looks like another good result for AfD They are doing very well in parts of SE Brandenburg, with the boxes that are in showing up to 18%. Not so good in the West or the Berlin exurbs. |
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