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Post by rcronald on Jun 9, 2024 18:10:01 GMT
There’s clearly a gap for a populist/collectivist (as in not economically conservative but not strongly socialist)/culturally conservative party in Ireland, why is no one filling it? Edit: I understand that Independent Ireland is trying to fill that gap, but they aren’t even offered as an option in polling. Aontu fit the socially conservative/economically left-of-centre description, which is why there was some bafflement as to why Independent Ireland was formed - but the latter does not whip on political views, and it has now taken a more clearly right-wing position, which, given II TD Michael Fitzmaurice was originally elected as the endorsed replacement of left-winger, Ming Flanagan, shows the baffling structure of Irish politics. Aontu is a good hearted ChristianLeft party, not an angry populist one.
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Post by CatholicLeft on Jun 9, 2024 18:30:14 GMT
Quite amazingly, Aontu have just had Ellen Troy elected in Castleknock, Fingal Council. It is part of greater Dublin (Dublin 15) and, to give you an idea of how surprising this is, her election was announced alongside that of former minister, Sol-PBP's Ruth Coppinger. Aontu have polled remarkably well in those LEAs which make up Dublin West, and are in with a strong chance of a seat in Ongar LEA as well. In Dublin City itself, former Aontu GE candidate for Dublin West has polled well in Ballymun-Finglas and is still in the running for a seat. Ballymun-Finglas is in Dublin West. They have been planning and campaigning hard over the past 5 years
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Post by jamie on Jun 9, 2024 18:44:05 GMT
Aontu is a good hearted ChristianLeft party, not an angry populist one. They do sometimes drift in that direction, although to their credit they have purposefully avoided going off the deep end.
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Post by thinwhiteduke on Jun 9, 2024 21:27:15 GMT
Dublin first count :
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Post by xenon on Jun 9, 2024 21:49:16 GMT
What a mess! So obviously 1 FG, 1 FF and probably 1 SF, with the last being fought for between Greens, Labour, Independent Ireland and I4C?
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Post by stb12 on Jun 9, 2024 22:06:32 GMT
Michelle Gildernew giving up her Westminster seat looks like a mistaken gamble, although maybe she was bored of being an abstentionist MP anyway
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Post by edgbaston on Jun 9, 2024 23:44:35 GMT
Dublin first count : Wouldn’t it be lovely if Clare Daly loses her seat. Couldn’t happen to a nicer person.
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Post by eastmidlandsright on Jun 9, 2024 23:53:26 GMT
What a mess! So obviously 1 FG, 1 FF and probably 1 SF, with the last being fought for between Greens, Labour, Independent Ireland and I4C? My guess is Green, Cuffe's first preference is only half of last time but I suspect he will get much it back on transfers.
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Post by eastmidlandsright on Jun 9, 2024 23:56:02 GMT
Dublin first count : Wouldn’t it be lovely if Clare Daly loses her seat. Couldn’t happen to a nicer person. She is toast. It was only a big transfer from SF that got her in last time and they look pretty good for a seat this time.
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Post by rcronald on Jun 10, 2024 0:01:01 GMT
What a mess! So obviously 1 FG, 1 FF and probably 1 SF, with the last being fought for between Greens, Labour, Independent Ireland and I4C? My guess is Green, Cuffe's first preference is only half of last time but I suspect he will get much it back on transfers. Wouldn’t the leftist parties prefer Labour to Green in Ireland? (Especially given that they are in government)
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Post by eastmidlandsright on Jun 10, 2024 0:21:21 GMT
My guess is Green, Cuffe's first preference is only half of last time but I suspect he will get much it back on transfers. Wouldn’t the leftist parties prefer Labour to Green in Ireland? (Especially given that they are in government) The leftists don't really like Labour either. In any event I am making a guess rather than a confident prediction.
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Post by rcronald on Jun 10, 2024 20:56:08 GMT
McNamara is going to sit with S&D, right?
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Post by thinwhiteduke on Jun 10, 2024 21:03:56 GMT
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Post by andrea on Jun 10, 2024 21:41:54 GMT
Midlands North West 1st prefs
Luke ‘Ming’ Flanagan (Independent) – 78,214 Barry Cowen (Fianna Fáil) – 73,908 Nina Carberry (Fine Gael) – 73,888 Maria Walsh (Fine Gael) – 71,476 Ciaran Mullooly (Independent Ireland) – 57,297 Michelle Gildernew (Sinn Féin) – 45,807 Lisa Chambers (Fianna Fáil) – 44,069 Peadar Tóibín (Aontú) – 40,742 Niall Blaney (Fianna Fáil) – 30,387 Chris MacManus (Sinn Féin) – 29,427 Peter Casey (Independent) – 21,102 Saoirse McHugh (Independent) – 18,976 Rory Hearne (Social Democrats) – 15,023 Hermann Kelly (Irish Freedom Party) – 13,904 Pauline O’Reilly (Green Party) – 13,710 John Waters (Independent) – 13,692 Fergal Landy (Labour) – 6,970 Michelle Smith (Independent) – 6,713 Anthony Cahill (The Irish People) – 4,536 Justin Barrett (National Party) – 4,086 Brian O’Boyle (PBP-SOL) – 3,982 James Reynolds (National Party) – 3,201 Margaret Maguire (Ireland First) – 3,117 Gerry Waters (Independent) – 3,015 Charlotte Keenan (Independent) – 1,102 Stephen Garland (Independent) – 1,079 Daniel Pocock (Independent) – 524
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Post by thinwhiteduke on Jun 10, 2024 22:56:23 GMT
Seems Fianna Fáil has a good chance of retaining their position as largest party in local government.
Not sure anyone could have predicted that going into this election.
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Post by hullenedge on Jun 11, 2024 14:44:31 GMT
Turnout slightly down for the Irish locals but still high compared to our participation rates although the European election may have enticed more voters:-
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Post by mrpastelito on Jun 11, 2024 17:03:03 GMT
Dublin first count : Wouldn’t it be lovely if Clare Daly loses her seat. Couldn’t happen to a nicer person.
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Post by andrea on Jun 11, 2024 19:15:51 GMT
Dublin
Andrews (FF) 69,110 Doherty (FG) 68,725 Boylan (SF) 64,586 Boylan (I) 49,490 O Riardain (Lab) 46,912 Cuffe (Green) 43,582 ELIMINATED
4 to be elected.
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Post by greyfriar on Jun 11, 2024 19:19:51 GMT
Dublin Andrews (FF) 69,110 Doherty (FG) 68,725 Boylan (SF) 64,586 Boylan (I) 49,490 O Riardain (Lab) 46,912 Cuffe (Green) 43,582 ELIMINATED 4 to be elected. Presumably the first Labour candidate will be more transfer friendly to the Greens than Niall Boylan.
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Post by rcronald on Jun 11, 2024 19:20:28 GMT
Dublin Andrews (FF) 69,110 Doherty (FG) 68,725 Boylan (SF) 64,586 Boylan (I) 49,490 O Riardain (Lab) 46,912 Cuffe (Green) 43,582 ELIMINATED 4 to be elected. Boylan (I) somehow received more Daly transfer votes than Cuffe and around the same amount as O Riardain…
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