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Post by finsobruce on Jul 9, 2021 21:14:01 GMT
She's always been seen (on this Forum at least) as an electoral liability, so whichever way you look at it, she and Labour have done well here. She was the perfect candidate for this constituency in a byelection - not true when she has stood elsewhere before. You still have to win. And she, and Labour were seen as dead in the water electorally.
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Jul 9, 2021 21:15:54 GMT
She's always been seen (on this Forum at least) as an electoral liability, so whichever way you look at it, she and Labour have done well here. She was the perfect candidate for this constituency in a byelection - not true when she has stood elsewhere before. Oh, absolutely. Queen Bedwetter in prime bedwetter territory. (And I don’t mean that as a criticism, if I lived down south it quite likely would be in this constituency and I’d be a FG voter hoping for a FG-Lab coalition, though preferably one without Dick Spring in it)
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Post by CatholicLeft on Jul 9, 2021 21:24:26 GMT
She was the perfect candidate for this constituency in a byelection - not true when she has stood elsewhere before. Oh, absolutely. Queen Bedwetter in prime bedwetter territory. (And I don’t mean that as a criticism, if I lived down south it quite likely would be in this constituency and I’d be a FG voter hoping for a FG-Lab coalition, though preferably one without Dick Spring in it) Whereas my clan haven't voted Labour since Dick Spring stopped leading them.
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Jul 9, 2021 21:34:01 GMT
Oh, absolutely. Queen Bedwetter in prime bedwetter territory. (And I don’t mean that as a criticism, if I lived down south it quite likely would be in this constituency and I’d be a FG voter hoping for a FG-Lab coalition, though preferably one without Dick Spring in it) Whereas my clan haven't voted Labour since Dick Spring stopped leading them. That’s why I like you but we never agree.
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Post by jamie on Jul 9, 2021 21:56:27 GMT
What is also surprising about the first count is just how badly Renua did in one of the few constituencies with any number of voters that would warm over to them-beaten by an independent anti-mask-wearing conspiracy theorist (Dolores Cahill), and a far-right fringe group (the "National Party"). Eh, i'm not sure this is a good constituency for them. The relatively good 2016 vote for Renua here was a personal vote for Creighton in a very socially liberal constituency. The party otherwise was more defined by the abortion issue than its right wing economic policy, and its moves towards the cranky far right will hardly have made it any better of a fit for this sort of constituency.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jul 9, 2021 22:36:42 GMT
She was the perfect candidate for this constituency in a byelection - not true when she has stood elsewhere before. Oh, absolutely. Queen Bedwetter in prime bedwetter territory. (And I don’t mean that as a criticism, if I lived down south it quite likely would be in this constituency and I’d be a FG voter hoping for a FG-Lab coalition, though preferably one without Dick Spring in it) Wonder if the Ross O'Carroll-Kelly books are still going.
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Post by kevinlarkin on Jul 9, 2021 22:47:40 GMT
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Post by obsie on Jul 10, 2021 5:08:02 GMT
I had no idea Ivana Bacik was still on the scene, especially after Labour's implosion. She is clearly unflushable. She is the Labour leader in the Seanad, and a serial loser of elections to the Dail. However, this constituency is pretty much made for her. If she can't win here in these circumstances, or at least poll well enough to set herself up for a seat at the next General Election, she is unlikely ever to do so. I can't pretend I have ever been her greatest fan, but the idea of Irish Labour winning a byelection in what in England would be a fairly safe Tory seat is kind of fascinating. Would have said it would be more of a Sheffield Hallam or Putney - overwhelmingly middle-class but highly-educated and with a self-identification as being "progressive".
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Post by obsie on Jul 10, 2021 5:10:56 GMT
She was the perfect candidate for this constituency in a byelection - not true when she has stood elsewhere before. Oh, absolutely. Queen Bedwetter in prime bedwetter territory. (And I don’t mean that as a criticism, if I lived down south it quite likely would be in this constituency and I’d be a FG voter hoping for a FG-Lab coalition, though preferably one without Dick Spring in it) I think the chances of Dick Spring being in it are fairly slim. He's in his mid-70s by now and Labour weren't even able to run a candidate in Kerry last year (and not convinced that the coronation of Ivana will change that situation very much).
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Post by iainbhx on Jul 10, 2021 7:10:18 GMT
She was the perfect candidate for this constituency in a byelection - not true when she has stood elsewhere before. Oh, absolutely. Queen Bedwetter in prime bedwetter territory. (And I don’t mean that as a criticism, if I lived down south it quite likely would be in this constituency and I’d be a FG voter hoping for a FG-Lab coalition, though preferably one without Dick Spring in it) Whilst I did officially live in this seat during my year at TCD and I'd happily vote for FG - although that's more a family thing. My grandfather would come back to haunt me if I even considered the Soldiers of Destiny for a moment. But yeah, D4 will D4.
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Post by Chris from Brum on Jul 10, 2021 7:39:25 GMT
Oh, absolutely. Queen Bedwetter in prime bedwetter territory. (And I don’t mean that as a criticism, if I lived down south it quite likely would be in this constituency and I’d be a FG voter hoping for a FG-Lab coalition, though preferably one without Dick Spring in it) Whilst I did officially live in this seat during my year at TCD and I'd happily vote for FG - although that's more a family thing. My grandfather would come back to haunt me if I even considered the Soldiers of Destiny for a moment. But yeah, D4 will D4. Nonetheless, FF are our partners in ALDE/RE, not FG, however strange that seems. For me, it's a shame that the PDs are no more, but there you go.
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Post by iainbhx on Jul 10, 2021 9:15:24 GMT
Whilst I did officially live in this seat during my year at TCD and I'd happily vote for FG - although that's more a family thing. My grandfather would come back to haunt me if I even considered the Soldiers of Destiny for a moment. But yeah, D4 will D4. Nonetheless, FF are our partners in ALDE/RE, not FG, however strange that seems. For me, it's a shame that the PDs are no more, but there you go. Don't give a stuff. Grandad was sort of forced from Swords (and ended up working at Round Oak) in 1921 and blamed it very, very personally on Dev. It was very much drummed into me de Valera and all his works were the Devil Incarnate from a young age. I couldn't possibly vote FF.
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Post by Merseymike on Jul 10, 2021 9:26:27 GMT
Nonetheless, FF are our partners in ALDE/RE, not FG, however strange that seems. For me, it's a shame that the PDs are no more, but there you go. Don't give a stuff. Grandad was sort of forced from Swords (and ended up working at Round Oak) in 1921 and blamed it very, very personally on Dev. It was very much drummed into me de Valera and all his works were the Devil Incarnate from a young age. I couldn't possibly vote FF. That Fianna Fail is now the official Liberal party is a great source of amusement. They have managed to retain a remarkably high level of success though, perhaps because their only real belief is that anything goes as long as it enables us to stay in power. The failure of the PD's is instructive - I suppose the idea was that a country with the youngest population in Europe, the Celtic Tiger and all that, would warm to a secular, free market party, socially progressive and clearly to the right in economics. But they didn't.
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Post by dizz on Jul 10, 2021 11:35:12 GMT
The map of where to live & not to live in Dublin South Bay:
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(Hint - not the green)
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Post by Merseymike on Jul 10, 2021 11:50:51 GMT
So the closer to the city, the more Sinn Fein. Does rather put it in perspective - and most SF voters would transfer to Labour to keep out FG anyway
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Post by Khunanup on Jul 10, 2021 12:11:37 GMT
Whilst I did officially live in this seat during my year at TCD and I'd happily vote for FG - although that's more a family thing. My grandfather would come back to haunt me if I even considered the Soldiers of Destiny for a moment. But yeah, D4 will D4. Nonetheless, FF are our partners in ALDE/RE, not FG, however strange that seems. For me, it's a shame that the PDs are no more, but there you go. It's utter convenience for FF, nothing more, and I'm still astonished that outside party groupings (ie in the European Parliament) they've been allowed into anything Liberal. In reality they should most likely be in the same groupings as FG, but essentially, FG got there first so they have no chance. If I lived in Ireland it'd be pure political homelessness for me (and on a case by case basis preference FF, FG, Labour, Green, but never the fascists obviously).
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Post by obsie on Jul 10, 2021 14:32:05 GMT
The map of where to live & not to live in Dublin South Bay: /photo/1 (Hint - not the green) The green bits will be the only parts which are remotely affordable.
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Post by No Offence Alan on Jul 10, 2021 14:43:55 GMT
The map of where to live & not to live in Dublin South Bay: /photo/1 (Hint - not the green) The green bits will be the only parts which are remotely affordable. You mean the other parts are empty because no-one can afford to live there?
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jul 10, 2021 14:47:40 GMT
I see this area includes Rathmines which was the only Unionist seat in what is now the Republic of Ireland in 1918
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